Denied Give AO enlisted their rights back (overrides to electrical and EOC)

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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
gives the ability for a player who is on a AO operative job full override to electrical and EOC (Excluding lights) currently as it stands enlisted have no access to electrical despite it being an important location for multiple reasons, AO enlisted should be highly trusted members of the foundation do not have access to this and adding onto this members of a elite task force who escort VIPs and need to get to areas they may commonly be in aka the EOC should be granted access to those areas as it currently is enlisted have override to the outer door of EOC but not the inner door making no sense as there is no point in having override to just one door the room between the EOC and EZ serves no purpose other then being a buffer zone for those areas my idea of how this change can work is make so enlisted have overrides to the bottom and control room of both electricals (and maybe having access to lights excluding EOC lights for reasons like if lights need to be turned back on they can just go to the two electricals and switch it on reducing any risk of abuse while still granting ease of access to places and turning on lights like if 079 or CI were to turn them off)

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Unknown most likely not

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
enlisted AO will have ease of access to areas in which they may need to complete their duties in
less hassle when needing to go into areas in which their VIP's may be

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
Abuse (unlikely)
Dev time?

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
I think the enlisted of a highly trusted and elite task force will likely need access to these area's to properly carry out duties giving them overrides will be vital in them achieving this in a safe and timely matter especially if CL4 members of that task force are not available or ingame to open the areas that they need access to
 
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I'll be honest, I am going to stay neutral.

I can see where you are coming from, it is definitely annoying to deal with as a lower enlisted member of AO. I didn't learn this until recently, but apparently AO Enlisted and NCOs are technically CL3.5, even though they have a CL4 card. The CL4 card is mainly to get into areas (like bunks or Site Command Offices on either side) where their designated VIPs are located. I am going to assume that Privates and Specialists are still in their, for lack of better words "training/trial" phase to further evaluate if they are a good candidate for AO which is why they do not have overrides for certain areas like the EOC.

But again, I understand where you are coming from. Worst case scenario, if it does not get accepted, there usually is someone always on site with authorized clearance to open areas like that for AO if needed.
 
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Max Arcturus Shepherd said:
I'll be honest, I am going to stay neutral.

I can see where you are coming from, it is definitely annoying to deal with as a lower enlisted member of AO. I didn't learn this until recently, but apparently AO Enlisted and NCOs are technically CL3.5, even though they have a CL4 card. The CL4 card is mainly to get into areas (like bunks or Site Command Offices on either side) where their designated VIPs are located. I am going to assume that Privates and Specialists are still in their, for lack of better words "training/trial" phase to further evaluate if they are a good candidate for AO which is why they do not have overrides for certain areas like the EOC.

But again, I understand where you are coming from. Worst case scenario, if it does not get accepted, there usually is someone always on site with authorized clearance to open areas like that for AO if needed.
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for US o-1 at least trial phase is when you are a PVT you spend a week as a PVT and NCO/CO team determine if you're a good fit you get promoted to SPC once your trial phase is over which is still enlisted
 
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for US o-1 at least trial phase is when you are a PVT you spend a week as a PVT and NCO/CO team determine if you're a good fit you get promoted to SPC once your trial phase is over which is still enlisted
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I find that very strange. I don't know how the UK does AO operations, but I would assume it is similar to the UK site with overrides. I could be wrong. If Private is the trial phase, I would say let Specialist+ have overrides since they have gotten out of their trial period.
 
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I find that very strange. I don't know how the UK does AO operations, but I would assume it is similar to the UK site with overrides. I could be wrong. If Private is the trial phase, I would say let Specialist+ have overrides since they have gotten out of their trial period.
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overide is job dependent, not rank dependent
 
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Sometimes people joining AO aren't the brightest (using myself as an example when I first joined O-1) and getting into the NCO positions is not very difficult anyway. If there are VIPs in the area, the VIPs can just let them in.
 
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I can understand having Electrical Access. But I don't think you need to be able to access the inner bulk for EOC.

I think it would be overall better if the EOC itself remained strictly cl4. The lowest rank AO would be guarding is already a cl4. And if they aren't on the EOC then AO probably shouldn't be there either

However- I could see there being an issue if there was a cl4 who was under AOS hiding in there. And no AO on with a cl4 could open it, and there was no other cl4 on who could open it. But I don't think that happens often enough to warrant override being added
 
Sleepino said:
elite task force
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trying to describe AO as elite solely in the argument of access is inappropriate

Max Arcturus Shepherd said:
I didn't learn this until recently, but apparently AO Enlisted and NCOs are technically CL3.5, even though they have a CL4 card.
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this is untrue - there is no such thing as "half a clearance", nor are AO enlisted and NCO any higher than a CL3 in terms of clearance level. this is an incorrect assumption by most players, including AO themselves, who do not recognise that they are NOT above everybody in the chain of command, simply because they are a task force reporting directly to a foundation command body

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honestly, having played in foundation command and AO for the last year, i've come to find that some of the worst roleplayers on the server happen to actually get into AO. anyways, see my previous points - they aren't above others and should only be given absolutely necessary additional permissions - especially considering CPL+ gets a CL4 anyways
 
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