Content Suggestion Allow Us To Shoot Ourselves In The Head

[Emilia Foddg]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:​

A VGuns overhaul for sidearms which would allow us to shoot ourselves in the head and die (specifically only for pistols).

EDIT: This may also need tuning during development to assure that it's not too quickly accessible that it upsets the balance of hostage taking and other applicable situations.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:​

I highly doubt it.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):​

• + Increases value and use of sidearms, which includes perma pistols, giving more reason to buy one
  
  
• + Additional RP-friendly ways for players to kill themselves or otherwise threaten to kill themselves, in situations that could potentially benefit from it & also potentially create new directions for certain situations or scenarios
  
  
• + Gives an RP purpose for an otherwise combative thing
  
  
• + Would be extremely funny to see a D-Class with a gun in D-Block at the testing line, just holding it to their head

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:​

• == An additional suicide alternative to cyanide & VCraft chems would likely devalue both of them in a not insignificant amount of situations - Cyanide is primarily intended for escaping hostage situations, which would generally be largely unaffected by this change in the majority of circumstances and as such, would not be an effective replacement for cyanide as hostages are typically stripped of weapons among other reasons. As for chems, most chems that you can kill yourself with do so in a way that are generally not as conducive to RP, plus they are to some extent, easier to obtain and retain than a pistol, the latter of which for a lot of non-combative roles is frustrated by IC regulation of weaponry on those jobs.
  
  
• - Would mostly require fundamental and extensive changes to VGuns, may be infeasible
  
  
• - Abuse - This is something you could FailRP with (This is the reason I am suggesting this. I am suggesting this because I want to use it to FailRP. Please allow me to FailRP by shooting myself in the head), also concerns with things like doing it in a situation where you otherwise wouldn't just to avoid arrest, etc.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:​

This is something I've been wanting for a while, but never really found the time to properly think on it. I think I want to be able to shoot myself in the head. I think this has potential, even outside of event purposes, to create some interesting RP. Like, even just schizo chef RP, you can get a gun and just go crazy.

I acknowledge there are also some FearRP concerns? Like weird situations where it's obvious someone is just shooting themselves to get out of RP or to deny an SCP a kill or whatever, difficult to enforce, etc. And maybe some situations where it's... Eh, I dunno. Not sure what to think about it.

 

[fyzar]

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r to deny an SCP a kill or whatever, difficult to enforce, etc.

id rather go out on my own terms than be mauled by some scp

+support

 

[Change Z. "The Coward"]

+support add suicide to civil networks

 

[Brayan Murry]

I wouldn’t make it so everyone can when ever they want. But it would be cool to have it has a weapon staff/GM can give for RP

 

[Niox]

gives pistols some love
+++Support

 

[Zen]

+Support
Makes sense

 

[dougdougjones]

+SUPPORT

(Don’t do it)

 

[IGNVexary]

Massive - Support
I really don’t think Suicide RP belongs anywhere in this community, especially not on a game that kids are playing. Suicide isn’t a “plotline” or “drama” to roleplay — it’s a real, devastating issue that has lasting effects on people’s lives. Having dealt with mental health struggles in my own family and losing a friend to suicide, this isn’t something I can support in good conscience.


Even if the intent isn’t to cause harm, the impact is what matters. A child or even an adult who is already struggling with their mental health could see this and be negatively affected. It risks normalizing something that should never be portrayed as entertainment. For survivors, or for those currently struggling, seeing this in a roleplay setting could be extremely painful and triggering.


I know roleplay is about creativity and exploring different ideas, but there are limits to what’s appropriate. Suicide should never be used as a storyline or source of entertainment — it deserves respect and serious care, not dramatization in a game. If people want dramatic roleplay, there are countless other themes that don’t carry the same risks or disrespect.


So, I have to give this a strong negative support. My stance comes from wanting to advocate for those who are dealing with mental health challenges and making sure we create an environment that’s safe and respectful for everyone.

 

[Asmodeus]

what the above said.....i dont want nothing to do with suicide RP like, eating cyanide and shi is one thing but a gun to the head is just brutal

 

[Mozzie]

+support
this is epic

 

[Zen]

Massive - Support
I really don’t think Suicide RP belongs anywhere in this community, especially not on a game that kids are playing. Suicide isn’t a “plotline” or “drama” to roleplay — it’s a real, devastating issue that has lasting effects on people’s lives. Having dealt with mental health struggles in my own family and losing a friend to suicide, this isn’t something I can support in good conscience.


Even if the intent isn’t to cause harm, the impact is what matters. A child or even an adult who is already struggling with their mental health could see this and be negatively affected. It risks normalizing something that should never be portrayed as entertainment. For survivors, or for those currently struggling, seeing this in a roleplay setting could be extremely painful and triggering.


I know roleplay is about creativity and exploring different ideas, but there are limits to what’s appropriate. Suicide should never be used as a storyline or source of entertainment — it deserves respect and serious care, not dramatization in a game. If people want dramatic roleplay, there are countless other themes that don’t carry the same risks or disrespect.


So, I have to give this a strong negative support. My stance comes from wanting to advocate for those who are dealing with mental health challenges and making sure we create an environment that’s safe and respectful for everyone.

You can already commit suicide using cyanide, which is probably an even more brutal way to die, given you essentially fill your insides with acid.

I also am not sure that being so heavily against shooting yourself makes sense in the context of a game where a large focus is on shooting other people. People handled it fine in GTA Online, it's not going to end the world in a similarly violent game like this.

 

[Guts]

kurt cobain pov update

 

[Headbutt]

+support
its a video game

 

[Fricky Hecks]

-Support

-Trivializes the usage of Bleach & Cyanide(besides for no gun situations)
-Easily abusable by people that'd rather suicide than RP upon any mild irritance
-Little-to-no counter-play unless it has a startup to it where you could interrupt it with cuffs or something

Also the fact that such a dark aspect would likely become incredibly common would likely not bode well with a lot of people who have trouble with that kind of stuff. Bleach & Cyanide, despite how disgusting they are as a way to die in the real world, are effectively dumbed down to a rather comedic sudden drop & funny noise made, but with suicide via gun, there's no way to really make it light-hearted whatsoever, not unless confetti or something comes out of their head.

The server already has a lot of dark tones tied to it which at the very least can be made "prettier", suicide via gun would just be taking it a step too far.

 

[Zen]

-Support

-Trivializes the usage of Bleach & Cyanide(besides for no gun situations)
-Easily abusable by people that'd rather suicide than RP upon any mild irritance
-Little-to-no counter-play unless it has a startup to it where you could interrupt it with cuffs or something

Also the fact that such a dark aspect would likely become incredibly common would likely not bode well with a lot of people who have trouble with that kind of stuff. Bleach & Cyanide, despite how disgusting they are as a way to die in the real world, are effectively dumbed down to a rather comedic sudden drop & funny noise made, but with suicide via gun, there's no way to really make it light-hearted whatsoever, not unless confetti or something comes out of their head.

The server already has a lot of dark tones tied to it which at the very least can be made "prettier", suicide via gun would just be taking it a step too far.

Mate, torture RP is literally a common element on this server, I don't think this is where the line is typically drawn on this server

 

[Lonix]

what about instead of giving up when downed we switch to our pistol and shoot ourselves!

 

[Emilia Foddg]

Massive - Support
I really don’t think Suicide RP belongs anywhere in this community, especially not on a game that kids are playing. Suicide isn’t a “plotline” or “drama” to roleplay — it’s a real, devastating issue that has lasting effects on people’s lives. Having dealt with mental health struggles in my own family and losing a friend to suicide, this isn’t something I can support in good conscience.


Even if the intent isn’t to cause harm, the impact is what matters. A child or even an adult who is already struggling with their mental health could see this and be negatively affected. It risks normalizing something that should never be portrayed as entertainment. For survivors, or for those currently struggling, seeing this in a roleplay setting could be extremely painful and triggering.


I know roleplay is about creativity and exploring different ideas, but there are limits to what’s appropriate. Suicide should never be used as a storyline or source of entertainment — it deserves respect and serious care, not dramatization in a game. If people want dramatic roleplay, there are countless other themes that don’t carry the same risks or disrespect.


So, I have to give this a strong negative support. My stance comes from wanting to advocate for those who are dealing with mental health challenges and making sure we create an environment that’s safe and respectful for everyone.

-Support

-Trivializes the usage of Bleach & Cyanide(besides for no gun situations)
-Easily abusable by people that'd rather suicide than RP upon any mild irritance
-Little-to-no counter-play unless it has a startup to it where you could interrupt it with cuffs or something

Also the fact that such a dark aspect would likely become incredibly common would likely not bode well with a lot of people who have trouble with that kind of stuff. Bleach & Cyanide, despite how disgusting they are as a way to die in the real world, are effectively dumbed down to a rather comedic sudden drop & funny noise made, but with suicide via gun, there's no way to really make it light-hearted whatsoever, not unless confetti or something comes out of their head.

The server already has a lot of dark tones tied to it which at the very least can be made "prettier", suicide via gun would just be taking it a step too far.

These kinds of takes are very pearl-clutchy and incredibly ignorant of the themes already present on the server. SCP is, at its core, a military sci-fi horror universe. You cannot in good conscience push arguments like "think of the kids" and mental health advocacy with the current existing server content (we even have a padded room in Medbay, ffs) and common themes in roleplay. It's primarily because of those themes in the first place that we have the Age Rating network rule (which IMO I never understood the specific reasoning with the current age choice, I'd agree it's a tad too low for what we have already).

I agree with the abuse concern which is why I specified it in the OP - As for the counterplay argument, I want some examples of situations where it'd be hard to generate counterplay against it, because I can't particularly think of any situations where this would be too strong, primarily because of the weapon switch delay. Maybe I'm missing something there.

Regardless, your points about inappropriateness, I feel are inappropriate themselves. They are neither as noble nor virtuous as you seem to believe them to be - They come across as an attempt to guilt-trip and use real-world issues as an excuse to discourage feature development in a video game. You want to talk about things like psychological triggers and respect? How about we start by trying to use 'think of the children' rhetoric on a Brit after the 25th of July, 2025. Disgusting behaviour IMO.

 

[Layra "Nyx" Nightfall]

Ah yes, we have SCPs that literally take off your skin, a doctor that will turn you into a zombie corpse, a mask that will latch on you and drain the life out of you as well as peanut who snaps your neck. Torture is on this server and MANY dark topics, i don't agree with 13+ on the server (at least 15+) but i think this would be alright if done correctly + YOU CAN ALREADY die by your own hand from cyanide...

 

[Layra "Nyx" Nightfall]

what the above said.....i dont want nothing to do with suicide RP like, eating cyanide and shi is one thing but a gun to the head is just brutal

Asmodeus, we literally hosted an event where someone got tortured to death... bullet to the head is much more 'human' than what happened in the event

 

[Dusk]

Would this conflict with FearRP to some degree?
The already existing systems have overrides to protect game integrity, what's stopping someone from committing suicide at every possible convinent situation unless specific rules were in place to directly stop certain situations from occuring.