Content Suggestion mega CI Overhall

[pricetag]

THIS IS US CI​

What does this suggestion change/add/remove
Give CI T-90 (which is already in the CI vehicle group so idk why its not in the game.) my number 1 pick btw
Ability to get warfunds from destroying Enemy vehicles ( we have 0 ways to get warfunds while F and GOC has infinite) second pick
Buff M202 (Idk why this WARFUND gl got nerfed because its actually useless now, we tell everyone NOT to buy these)
better weapons for our classes (our best weapons are permaweapons)
More TB slots or better abilities (Our TB is purely support and gets mogged by every other TB in the game)
Buff BTR-90 (Give it AP ammo because ts is so ass, its too big ,slow, and low damage)
Buff BTR-82 ( every other vec. has bugged hitboxes (on the front atleast i have proof of the boxer at min) and the engine hitbox is bigger then my mom)
Give us some AT mines ( This would be fire WF item which is what we need not the dogshit that we get like 4 different supply crates of the same thing)
Buff Bomb drones ( does 0 dmg to vecs.)
more player slots on jobs (wdym out of 140 player regiment we only have 1 jug)
Give us TIGER M ASG-30 (this is GL vec. it would help all the infantry that GOC and F have during hostile interaction)
New CI job "Mechanic" spawns in garage with only item being gun and a repair torch maybe a better version

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?
probably, mine is different because its actually needed

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
CI isn't outclassed by miles by the other 2 factions.
CI activity doesn't drop because we get shit on, on surface
All of CI can actually help instead of maybe 6 people max


Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
GOC and Foundation might hate on us because we are slightly under them instead of it being an insane outclass

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
why shouldn't this get accepted is the real question, now IK the content might say this is very bad suggestion BUT they don't actually play the game and just test it on stationary moments in GM plain. you have to factor in we have no infantry because he have 0 matadors/at4 24/7 because the people get sniped from 100 meters away or suits.
WE of CI Command arent looking for everything here but atleast a couple to help balance out.

 

[Ganch]

any of these would kill UK SOP

 

[Ronin]

Your PFP certainly matches, at least you are consistent. But being fr, I have something different to offer, what about.

Remove both BTRs
Gives Mines
Give FPV Drones ( Bomb drone but does a lot of damage to vehicles )
Give IEDs
Give Fortification tool ( to make roadblocks, this tool would be exempt from Prop Block rules on the roads of surface )
Give emplaced turrets and ATGM turrets
Give CI like 1 Million Warfunds per destroyed Boxer/LAV/Abrams/Puma/etc

 

[Callahan]

Any of these would kill UK SOP

 

[Ganch]

Your PFP certainly matches, at least you are consistent. But being fr, I have something different to offer, what about.

Remove both BTRs
Gives Mines
Give FPV Drones ( Bomb drone but does a lot of damage to vehicles )
Give IEDs
Give Fortification tool ( to make roadblocks, this tool would be exempt from Prop Block rules on the roads of surface )
Give emplaced turrets and ATGM turrets
Give CI like 1 Million Warfunds per destroyed Boxer/LAV/Abrams/Puma/etc

i recommend making CI a max 10 people on at a time, they no longer can main raid foundation (failrp for low tier terrorist organization) and putting all these, make them a nuisance not a threat

 

[John Inertia]

How about we buff UK Sop then add this

 

[Ronin]

i recommend making CI a max 10 people on at a time, they no longer can main raid foundation (failrp for low tier terrorist organization) and putting all these, make them a nuisance not a threat

Real but.. not real.. Civil Chuddlings need combat to live.

 

[pricetag]

Your PFP certainly matches, at least you are consistent. But being fr, I have something different to offer, what about.

Remove both BTRs
Gives Mines
Give FPV Drones ( Bomb drone but does a lot of damage to vehicles )
Give IEDs
Give Fortification tool ( to make roadblocks, this tool would be exempt from Prop Block rules on the roads of surface )
Give emplaced turrets and ATGM turrets
Give CI like 1 Million Warfunds per destroyed Boxer/LAV/Abrams/Puma/etc

while we at it lets make it so u have to 18+ to be CI (LT)COM+

 

[Driver]

hi please make this true i want a tank please btr is bad either like give us a tank or give btr more ammo and stuff cuz m202 is pretty bad compared to what everyone else gets.

 

[Yoyo]

+support

 

[BorisIsGood]

+Support
US CI in its current state during surface PvP is one of the most unenjoyable experiences. The Leopard is by far the best vehicle in the game being able to one shot every vehicle that it comes into contact with and SOP has better guns with 2 extra marksman's, a better jugg gun (Kac stoner > RPK), and more disguise cards. GOC have suits, the best guns in the game, and better vehicles than CI ON TOP of having Y-SUIT which is extremely overtuned.

The biggest argument for every change that happens to US CI is that it affects UK CI as well, but why? We should have them treated as different because they are on opposite servers with opposite needs. UK CI Do well because their best combatives play CI and from my experience UK SOP aren't the best combatives. US CI aren't the same they don't have the best combatives and therefore the imbalance between the other two factions are much clearer.

Arguing that it shouldn't be balanced because in lore they weren't balanced isn't a fair reason as it's a game with players who want to play the game and have fun, having it be unbalanced is not fun for the people who have to deal with being on the unbalanced side. I've played GOC, SOP, and CI. Surface PvP is by far harder for CI compared to the other factions.


tldr: CI has 0 clear advantages. Foundation and GOC DO. Buff US CI.


One Y-SUIT ^

 

[WestIshere]

-support I don’t think there’s a way to add this without either disconnecting the two servers which would just make it not UK and US civil network RP then or completely destroy UK SOP. And also what are the current issues with US CI considering on UK it seems pretty balanced if the right strats are implemented. Also if the only issue CI have is the player base not being the best combative would it not be correct to assume that’s where you should try to fix things? However I could be wrong I was never a CI CO that’s just how I see things

 

[Nickel]

better weapons for our classes (our best weapons are permaweapons)

The only really bad weapons that CI has are the AEK and the AKZ. For the other teams, the guns aren't bad.
Medic -> AK12 is pretty good
Juggernaut -> Cmon its a juggernaut with 500hp and 500 armor, gun is pretty alright
DC -> Spectre M4 isn't that bad, its pretty decent again.
Strike Team -> Has a Deployable Shield, even if only the AKZ.
Marksman -> Orsis or SVD AND the PP-19-01 Vltyaz (which is not bad)
Delta Op -> PKM
Officer -> Vepr and VKS
Commander -> Vepr, PKM, KSG, Deagle
All of the guns listed above aren't bad and certainly better than the L85A2 which DEA Agent/Operative and Nu-7 Operative and Medic have. The MSBS isn't great too. While yes, the Delta Op slots (2) are lacking doesnt make the entire Team bad. Lets not forget that the only good Nu-7 guns are the M60 (Autorifleman), M82/L115A3 (Marksman, which also gets a bad MP7) and Ghost R5 (maybe SCAR-H -> Officer, COM gets an MK8 which isn't good instead of the SCAR-H). DEA is better, with CL4s getting AS VALs and Managers the MTs225-12 (a few good guns, surprise.)

Just for that point, CI guns are better than Nu-7. Compared to the PKM, the MK8 is just bad. But I do agree that the AS VAL is slightly better than some of the guns.

In general -support, CI is pretty decent overall. This is literally just a US problem with you guys being at war with the GOC which is supposed to be neutral.

Forgot to add: the 82 and LAV have the same stats as far as I know. The Stryker is just complete trash and the Marder isn't better than the 90 with its Missiles. As always, the GOC isn't comparable to any faction.

 

[pricetag]

Also if the only issue CI have is the player base not being the best combative would it not be correct to assume that’s where you should try to fix

thats not the only issue that would be an actual dream. ive said this many times before but majority of ci are just the seagulls from finding nemo

only good Nu-7 guns

only bad nu7 gun is the medic and operative gun (the ghost r5 is insane btw) but u also have to count in goc, A1,O1 and dea. also mp7 is way better then the pp19
but your right the pkm is prolly the best gun CI has outside of perma's and only 4 people can use it but u have to be delta+ or Ltcom+

 

[Nickel]

I'm only talking about the actual surface Regiments/Departments, AO isn't comparable to CI anyway. And I did mention DEA and the GOC. The GOC is supposed to be rather overpowered (as far as I know). I also mentioned that the PKM is obviously the best weapon, but the others are decent. Just because CI doesnt have overpowered guns doesnt mean that Nu-7 and DEA should have MP5s (hope you get what I'm trying to bring across). From what I have seen today on US the problem isn't the equipment but the coordination and lack of people playing CI. You were outmanned atleast 2:1 which is because you are fighting a 2:1 war currently. Without the GOC, it is very much fair, but again this is a US problem.

If there was a 2:1 war on UK and SOP would actually be active for once, the same would happen here.

 

[BorisIsGood]

The only really bad weapons that CI has are the AEK and the AKZ. For the other teams, the guns aren't bad.
Medic -> AK12 is pretty good
Juggernaut -> Cmon its a juggernaut with 500hp and 500 armor, gun is pretty alright
DC -> Spectre M4 isn't that bad, its pretty decent again.
Strike Team -> Has a Deployable Shield, even if only the AKZ.
Marksman -> Orsis or SVD AND the PP-19-01 Vltyaz (which is not bad)
Delta Op -> PKM
Officer -> Vepr and VKS
Commander -> Vepr, PKM, KSG, Deagle
All of the guns listed above aren't bad and certainly better than the L85A2 which DEA Agent/Operative and Nu-7 Operative and Medic have. The MSBS isn't great too. While yes, the Delta Op slots (2) are lacking doesnt make the entire Team bad. Lets not forget that the only good Nu-7 guns are the M60 (Autorifleman), M82/L115A3 (Marksman, which also gets a bad MP7) and Ghost R5 (maybe SCAR-H -> Officer, COM gets an MK8 which isn't good instead of the SCAR-H). DEA is better, with CL4s getting AS VALs and Managers the MTs225-12 (a few good guns, surprise.)

Just for that point, CI guns are better than Nu-7. Compared to the PKM, the MK8 is just bad. But I do agree that the AS VAL is slightly better than some of the guns.

In general -support, CI is pretty decent overall. This is literally just a US problem with you guys being at war with the GOC which is supposed to be neutral.

Forgot to add: the 82 and LAV have the same stats as far as I know. The Stryker is just complete trash and the Marder isn't better than the 90 with its Missiles. As always, the GOC isn't comparable to any faction.

This is a misinformed statement, it's not about what guns we have it is the balance of them in comparison to the other factions and how unbalanced it is IF you compare them. Lets go through the list shall we.

Juggernaut - Kac Stoner is WAY better not even comparable
DC - ?????? The gun is garbage
Strike Team > Just use a perma
Marskman -> Snipers are snipers SOP just has 4 of them.
Delta Op - Besides the ammo difference the MK8 has better spread in comparison to the PKM and the MK8 is accessible to 5 senior agents at a time. This is the only job that isn't commander where the gun on the job is used rather then the one provided via the JOB.
Officer > Both guns kinda blow just use a perma.
Commander > Both are okay

Now lets go over vehicles, Marder being able to challenge the BTR90 while being significantly smaller, faster, AND cheaper by a lot is a balance problem. And the Leopard being MUCH better without CI having a comparable tank to match it is also a balancing issue and a PROBLEM.
This imbalance between factions isn't something new that's been complained about its an on-going issue just being brought to light with the ongoing war pushing the patience levels of those included over the edge.

I can understand why you as a UK player believe the factions to be balanced but I can ensure you they are not.

 

[pricetag]

I'm only talking about the actual surface Regiments/Departments, AO isn't comparable to CI anyway. And I did mention DEA and the GOC. The GOC is supposed to be rather overpowered (as far as I know). I also mentioned that the PKM is obviously the best weapon, but the others are decent. Just because CI doesnt have overpowered guns doesnt mean that Nu-7 and DEA should have MP5s (hope you get what I'm trying to bring across). From what I have seen today on US the problem isn't the equipment but the coordination and lack of people playing CI. You were outmanned atleast 2:1 which is because you are fighting a 2:1 war currently. Without the GOC, it is very much fair, but again this is a US problem.

If there was a 2:1 war on UK and SOP would actually be active for once, the same would happen here.

so u are a uk player and u have never touched surface got it.
on the US server AO are on surface thats why i brought them up.
"2:1 war" this alone shows me that you are a genius who knows exactly what they are talking about
but as boris said above we are outclassed by alot
I would like anyone that disagrees with this to play CI during this goc war because i can guarantee (maybe 3-4 days) in your gonna come back and upvote this suggestion.
ur right GOC are supposed to be better, but this is like LTN vs HTG.
we were NEVER outmanned the entire day today btw and i still had to make this suggestion (yes i mean sop+goc)

 

[MaxoMaxoMaxo]

Arguing that it shouldn't be balanced because in lore they weren't balanced isn't a fair reason as it's a game with players who want to play the game and have fun, having it be unbalanced is not fun for the people who have to deal with being on the unbalanced side. I've played GOC, SOP, and CI. Surface PvP is by far harder for CI compared to the other factions.

just so you know it is balanced lol, that is exactly the issue. they balance it for both servers. i think the fact that one server has a better SOP and the other has a better CI shows that it is balanced. it's genuinely a player and mindset issue here. buffing CI would just absolutely kill the SOP gameplay loop on UK, as well as disrupt RP in a more damaging way. i hate to say it, but it genuinely is just a skill issue.

 

[Average member podidski]

+Support

Funny enough it would be good change for US server only but sadly we didn't decoup two servers yet so im guessing it will be deined. Because listen, this change will be good for CI on US since US Foundation will have to fight empowered enemy now.

Because every -support i see on CI buff suggetion are mostly from UK side and every +support i see on CI nerf suggetion are also mostly from UK side, not pointing fingers at ya UK players but if we decoup servers in some areas. Then we would not have problem with two servers blaming eachother.

 

[MaxoMaxoMaxo]

laugh out loud, full non combative posting his opinion on the combative side of the server! not even In site but on surface!!!!

idk i think your ignorance is showing here, site admin + ecm are very hands on ooc roles that are supposed to know about the climate of all aspects of the server, literally their responsibility to make sure that both the RP and Combat are conducive to the current server culture so icl your response is just copium.