Content Suggestion DEA Gun Change

[GMAN0289]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Change the Special Agent and Manager gun from the AS-Val to the Ghost R5

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
DEA Weapon changes have been suggested before

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
More balanced weapon for for surface and facility combat.
Better then the current weapon which was nerfed because it became a perma gun.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
Possibility of upsetting some balance.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Currently DEAs loadouts become lackluster after becoming a Special Agent due to being forced to use a perma gun which can not perform as well as weapons that are not perma guns. Overall this would be a positive change because it would alleviate frustration of the AS-Vals lack luster performance. It makes no sense why the Department Director should have such an powerful loadout while the officers are forced to use shit weapons. This also applies to many roles, but they are not relevant to this suggestion.

 

[Cade Valentine]

Could you explain why the AS Val isn't good in your opinion, instead of saying it "just sucks"

Damage. I get that it's a perma gun, but like, with how dedicated combat mains are, they 100% can just sweat and learn the recoil patterns of the stronger damaging guns like the ARX. I genuinely had a situation yesterday where I got approx 20 bullets off into a target right in front of me and STILL lost the gunfight even though they fired after me (I was using the AS VAL). The lack of recoil it has is GREAT, I love it for surface use for that reason, but it just gets outstripped by nearly every other mainstay surface gun around it

 

[Harry Chich]

-Support

I agree with replacing the AS VAL due to its status as a perma weapon, but the Ghost R5 is a crazy reach.

Perhaps we could use a currently unused weapon like the CZ 805? That way, we would not run into the balance issues that arise with perma weapons (unless I am mistaken and it is in fact a perma weapon), while not using one of the (in my opinion) best weapons available.

 

[GMAN0289]

-Support

I agree with replacing the AS VAL due to its status as a perma weapon, but the Ghost R5 is a crazy reach.

Perhaps we could use a currently unused weapon like the CZ 805? That way, we would not run into the balance issues that arise with perma weapons (unless I am mistaken and it is in fact a perma weapon), while not using one of the (in my opinion) best weapons available.

That is, at the end of the day, the general point I am trying to make regarding the gun itself needing to be replaced. While I understand it may be an overreach to ask for the Ghost R5, I don't think its to crazy considering it would be given to the "officers" of DEA. Also yes the CZ is a perma gun.

 

[Alex/John Dingle]

+Support

From what i can see from both CI and DEA the AS VAL either needs to be replaced or buffed so yeah

 

[Dinklesprinkle]

"DEA is more active on surface and fights with CI more often"

To me this is not something DEA should be doing / enforcing as DEA are supposed to be the spy / intel gathering department and not the main fighting force of the foundation.

 

[Driver]

Again, we can't control what Nu-7 are doing, if they don't want to fight CI we can't tell them anything, also DEA is a combative department after all, even though it deals with diplomatic stuff, not giving a combative regiment weapons that can hold up with other combative regiments is a bit stupid

 

[Snake]

The AS VAL is a bad weapon overall, the main stat that makes it really bad is the damage, comparing it to the weapons given to CI (Ghost R5, PKM, even the AEK that is given to the CI operative job is better than the AS VAL) and GOC (I don't even need to list them here but for reference they get a KBAR which many would say, myself included, is the most powerful weapon on the server). Yes, it barely has any spread and recoil but it almost doesn't matter because of the damage.
Now, if we compare the AS VAL to any other perma weapon, it underperforms. During my time as Special Agent and Manager I couldn't bring myself to use the AS VAL, but instead I went for the FN2000 which is a perma weapon that is very similar to the AS VAL but better in every stat, it has the same recoil, same spread and most importantly it deals more damage, making it the go-to surface weapon for me. Many other perma weapons are better than it, basically forcing DEA CL4s to buy a perma if they want to fight on surface.

The reason it has low damage per bullet is because it has stellar accuracy/spread and best in class rof for rifles. On uk at least its the mets perma weapon for surface, while it might not beat a ghost r5 up close it's only real weakness is low headshot damage

 

[Driver]

The reason it has low damage per bullet is because it has stellar accuracy/spread and best in class rof for rifles. On uk at least its the mets perma weapon for surface, while it might not beat a ghost r5 up close it's only real weakness is low headshot damage

Yet that low damage is detrimental on the US server, it can have no recoil and no spread, basically being a laser, on the US server it doesn't really matter, damage is more important because not all hits will actually count and register, therefore making it very useless if it barely does any damage, I have no idea what the UK meta is, but on the US higher damage guns are just better than guns with low recoil/spread.
I would even agree with a stats change of the AS VAL, more damage per bullet but higher recoil and spread, just anything to make this gun playable.