Denied Alpha-Warhead Rework - Immersion focus

[VarloSpks]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
This would introduce a basic layout for immersion and general visual improvement to the current nuke, I mean, at the moment, the nuke is a rip-off from SCP:SL and just generally not that interesting, it's quite dull with the nuke detonation having nothing visually interesting, but rather a ULX message saying "RP reset is in effect".

Here's the idea:
> Warhead is switched on.
> Player positions are saved temporarily right as the nuke goes off, within the facility or outside.
> Warhead detonates.
> White screen covers each players monitor, text can display in this form:
- You have died to the Alpha-Warhead, RP Reset is in effect. This implies that all RP previously performed today has been forgotten.
> Players are teleported to their original position before or as the warhead had previously been switched on.
> Screen fades back to normal.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
I'm not sure, maybe some reworks have been suggested, but I'd say this stands out due to the simplistic idea and more immersive experience it may bring, considering the server had bodycams added for RP’s sake, why not this?

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
- General immersive experience.
- Visually better design.
- Improves the overall aesthetic.
- More clarification for players

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- Could conflict with non-foundation jobs.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
There are much more positives to the side of the Foundation, but then again, surface players would too be killed by a literal nuclear detonation in little old Pinewood. It's overall a much better system to the server.

A possibility of a sound rework, something custom or different to the SCP:SL variant we have.

Edit #1
I'm fine with having this closed or denied, I can see the issues revolving around it, as said in the message below, it is a first suggestion and I should've looked into amd mapped out the cons thoroughly.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

I get your sentiment here, but for the time being, Nukes and subsequent RP resets are not meant as a regular, normal part of the server - They're intended to be a quick, 'break-glass-in-case-of-emergency' resolution to a completely unsalvageable SCP breach. They are not a focus of the server and they generally shouldn't be, as they disrupt basically the entire server. They're not really meant to be a fixture of sorts, fi that makes sense.

I agree that it could be prettier, nicer and generally improved for when it does happen (Or in some situation where there's more focus given to it, such as if it was adjusted and allowed as a very rare, nigh-impossible CI raid target, but there's a bajillion other considerations surrounding that idea), but given that, again, it's not meant to be a normal thing. So prettying it up would serve no real purpose and be largely a waste of dev time.
+/- Neutral, leaning -Support

 

[VarloSpks]

I get your sentiment here, but for the time being, Nukes and subsequent RP resets are not meant as a regular, normal part of the server - They're intended to be a quick, 'break-glass-in-case-of-emergency' resolution to a completely unsalvageable SCP breach. They are not a focus of the server and they generally shouldn't be, as they disrupt basically the entire server. They're not really meant to be a fixture of sorts, fi that makes sense.

I agree that it could be prettier, nicer and generally improved for when it does happen (Or in some situation where there's more focus given to it, such as if it was adjusted and allowed as a very rare, nigh-impossible CI raid target, but there's a bajillion other considerations surrounding that idea), but given that, again, it's not meant to be a normal thing. So prettying it up would serve no real purpose and be largely a waste of dev time.
+/- Neutral, leaning -Support

I understand where you're coming from, and I do agree, it isn't a major thing on the server and shouldn't be prioritised over others.

But, it really doesn't take that much time to develop to be honest, less than 30 minutes maximum to actually make something like this happen.

 

[Harry Chich]

I don’t really understand what this suggestion aims to solve.

So if a nuke went was called during a CI raid (which happens), all the CI would be returned inside of the site? This doesn’t seem to work for a variety of reasons.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

I understand where you're coming from, and I do agree, it isn't a major thing on the server and shouldn't be prioritised over others.

But, it really doesn't take that much time to develop to be honest, less than 30 minutes maximum to actually make something like this happen.

So, for some reason I didn't notice the whole player position saving and putting back -

Player positions are saved temporarily right as the nuke goes off, within the facility or outside.
[...]
Players are teleported to their original position before or as the warhead had previously been switched on.

Aside from the potential problems mentioned above with basically reinstating a CI raid in its previous position... I also don't see what is being solved here. I would imagine that this may potentially have some bugs with highly undesired effects in practice (Getting players it shouldn't get, such as SCPs or CI and putting them back where they were prior to detonation - It may also put players inside map geometry.)

I guess it could lessen the overall impact of nukes on RP...? As it's putting everyone back where they were before death, but then the problem is that RP was reset, which makes it more of a moot point. Plus the lead-up to the nuke going off is usually a mass SCP breach that pretty much ended basically the entire site's RP anyway. So any RP that was going on up to that point is being held off until everything is over - That really only leaves OOC things like tryouts and stuff like CL4 position interviews, which I guess really are the only thing this helps, but not by much at all. Usually interviews are also paused if things get real bad to the point where a nuke is expected and they can just get back to that point after the nuke and continue regardless.

...I'm trying, but I'm just not seeing any tangible benefits.

 

[Sceptre]

The only thing this suggestion is suggesting is that;

Instead of players dying, they return to where they were pre-nuke,
Scripted UI appears instead of a csay

Pointless

 

[Holy Doggo(Bruno Leopold)]

Its not a bad idea but I don't think its beneficial

 

[VarloSpks]

Thanks for the replies pointing out the pluses and negatives, I've honestly reconsidered, this was just a thought that crossed my mind. I was primarily looking at from an immersion perspective after many, honestly, shite experiences when the nuke does go off.

I can see the downsides in regard to non-foundation jobs, raiding, insignificance to some extent and so on, all fair and reasonable takes.

This is of course, a first for a suggestion from me, I can't expect everyone to agree, but it's great to get the feedback in genuine explanations.

 

[Michael Dzhetnikov]

screw all this noise, i just want it to not use the stupid SL sound

 

[Kowaru]

Tbh, the fact that the nuke is a RP reset should justify the premise of this post being denied. If players are to be teleported back to their last location after they died, that would encourage people to continue on with what they were doing right before the nuke, which would cause a lot more rule breaks than anything. Yes its a rule break, but resetting positions helps discourage that as you dont feel like you need to continue the situation once the nuke has gone off, since you are no longer in that situation. It just feels that if players are teleported to their last location after they died, it encourages to continue that rp instead of being the reset that it is intended to be, along with the previous concernes of CI tping back into foundation and such

 

[James Dingle]

Suggestion Denied

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Hi @VarloSpks ,

Thanks for taking the time to make a server suggestion.

The Content Team has chosen to deny your suggestion due to the following reason:

As stated by other community members, the nukes intention is to reset RP. Having players teleport back to their position before the nuke was initiated would contradict this tools intention.

Your suggestion will now be locked and marked as denied.

We appreciate the time and effort you've taken to make this suggestion, if you have any other suggestions in the future please don't hesitate to post them here.​