What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Massive Rule change regarding 008 breaching
- Allow any GOI breaching 008 (mainly CI) - to self inject or inject each other. (self injection would be for ANY GOI who can breach 008 not just CI)
- Anyone injected (specifically foundation staff) who are aware of the capabilities , are allowed to self - terminate in any method. To prevent the breach, or are allowed to refuse orders by the hostiles.
ALL WILL BE EXPLAINED BELOW. PLEASE READ.
Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Not that I have found.
Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
To begin, For a foundation POI - The choice or willingness to sacrifice to prevent a breach that would likely result in high casualties, can be deemed justified and heroic. While 008 breaches don't tend to have a lot of roleplay, and usually end up delaying it by a significant factor, giving the option to those to do this, would at least add some level of Rp in a case of attempting to prevent such event.
And finally, for the CI POI - Self injection , or the ability to inject fellow operatives aligns with the groups goals or interests of total disruption of foundation operations and killing personal while weaponizing anomalies. Given that even attempting to breach 008 is basically a death sentence. There should be no punishment for someone attempting to self inject as they are simply trying to fulfill their role before their inevitable death. Adding on, this also enhances immersion that a CI player would have, being basically a martyr for in their eyes, a greater cause.
Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Before I begin I understand this is likely not going to be heavily accepted by most, but I still kindly ask you read the full thing to understand more on my POV on the scenario.
Now to start, 008 breaches are on the much more uncommon side. And naturally, they are very difficult to pull off as the smallest of mistakes on CI can easily fumble the entire operation. And as much as I personally am against 008 breaches, I do think this rule change would balance the playing field for both CI and Foundation personnel who end up caught in a scenario like this.
I want this to be clear when i say I AM NOT ADVOCATING to remove FearRP when you know death is likely, but FEARRP should be nullified in a scenario for 008 , and 008 only. AS LONG as you are aware of what 008 is. Giving another example of how this would play out
In this scenario, CI capture a level 4 and forces them to grant access to 008. Despite being fully aware of 008s abililty, the Lv 4 is NOT able to refuse the orders to cycle the CI in and let them grab the syrgines. HOWEVER, this same level 4 personal, should have the ability to refuse orders to get injected and be terminated in the process, or be injected and then attempt to self - terminate to prevent such an event from happening. This level of agency , should apply to any foundation staff with knowledge of 008 (E-11, Level 4s, SCUs, anyone debriefed on 008) - This way , some level 1 / 2 foundation staff can't self terminate or refuse being injected, as they are unaware of whats going on, believing that their life is still safe.
Now on the other hand, if CI are unable to find someone complaint , or unaware to capture someone who would be unaware , or simply doesn't want to waste time trying. The option to fallback to self inject or inject fellow operatives, is logical in an RP sense. Being aware that death is inevitable in such a high - risk stake. The abililty to trigger the full scale of the breach aligns with the goals of the CI.
CI by nature, could be described as a violent , and in a way, extremist group with one main task in mind, to cause chaos while weaponizing anomalies. Allowing the insurgency to sacrifice themselves in pursuit of this goal adds immersion but also a level of realism. Just as foundation staff should be allowed to make the heroic choice to get killed to prevent the breach, CI operatives should be allowed to make the destructive choice to die while causing one.
Ill end my yap here clarifing one more time - this is NOT a call to remove FearRP or the idea to "value your life". But in the very uncommon case like an 008 breach attempt, where survial odds are low on BOTH sides, the ability to self inject or die to prevent a breach alligns with logical behavior a character from one of these factions would do, and enriches roleplay in a way.
Massive Rule change regarding 008 breaching
- Allow any GOI breaching 008 (mainly CI) - to self inject or inject each other. (self injection would be for ANY GOI who can breach 008 not just CI)
- Anyone injected (specifically foundation staff) who are aware of the capabilities , are allowed to self - terminate in any method. To prevent the breach, or are allowed to refuse orders by the hostiles.
ALL WILL BE EXPLAINED BELOW. PLEASE READ.
Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Not that I have found.
Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
To begin, For a foundation POI - The choice or willingness to sacrifice to prevent a breach that would likely result in high casualties, can be deemed justified and heroic. While 008 breaches don't tend to have a lot of roleplay, and usually end up delaying it by a significant factor, giving the option to those to do this, would at least add some level of Rp in a case of attempting to prevent such event.
And finally, for the CI POI - Self injection , or the ability to inject fellow operatives aligns with the groups goals or interests of total disruption of foundation operations and killing personal while weaponizing anomalies. Given that even attempting to breach 008 is basically a death sentence. There should be no punishment for someone attempting to self inject as they are simply trying to fulfill their role before their inevitable death. Adding on, this also enhances immersion that a CI player would have, being basically a martyr for in their eyes, a greater cause.
Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- The only concern I could see from this, is that people would argue if this is accepted, it can change the outcome on previous rulings (or future rulings) reguarding FearRP and valuing your life. Ill explain more below.
Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Before I begin I understand this is likely not going to be heavily accepted by most, but I still kindly ask you read the full thing to understand more on my POV on the scenario.
Now to start, 008 breaches are on the much more uncommon side. And naturally, they are very difficult to pull off as the smallest of mistakes on CI can easily fumble the entire operation. And as much as I personally am against 008 breaches, I do think this rule change would balance the playing field for both CI and Foundation personnel who end up caught in a scenario like this.
I want this to be clear when i say I AM NOT ADVOCATING to remove FearRP when you know death is likely, but FEARRP should be nullified in a scenario for 008 , and 008 only. AS LONG as you are aware of what 008 is. Giving another example of how this would play out
In this scenario, CI capture a level 4 and forces them to grant access to 008. Despite being fully aware of 008s abililty, the Lv 4 is NOT able to refuse the orders to cycle the CI in and let them grab the syrgines. HOWEVER, this same level 4 personal, should have the ability to refuse orders to get injected and be terminated in the process, or be injected and then attempt to self - terminate to prevent such an event from happening. This level of agency , should apply to any foundation staff with knowledge of 008 (E-11, Level 4s, SCUs, anyone debriefed on 008) - This way , some level 1 / 2 foundation staff can't self terminate or refuse being injected, as they are unaware of whats going on, believing that their life is still safe.
Now on the other hand, if CI are unable to find someone complaint , or unaware to capture someone who would be unaware , or simply doesn't want to waste time trying. The option to fallback to self inject or inject fellow operatives, is logical in an RP sense. Being aware that death is inevitable in such a high - risk stake. The abililty to trigger the full scale of the breach aligns with the goals of the CI.
CI by nature, could be described as a violent , and in a way, extremist group with one main task in mind, to cause chaos while weaponizing anomalies. Allowing the insurgency to sacrifice themselves in pursuit of this goal adds immersion but also a level of realism. Just as foundation staff should be allowed to make the heroic choice to get killed to prevent the breach, CI operatives should be allowed to make the destructive choice to die while causing one.
Ill end my yap here clarifing one more time - this is NOT a call to remove FearRP or the idea to "value your life". But in the very uncommon case like an 008 breach attempt, where survial odds are low on BOTH sides, the ability to self inject or die to prevent a breach alligns with logical behavior a character from one of these factions would do, and enriches roleplay in a way.
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