Rule Suggestion 4.05B Staff Rulings.

[Yoyo]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Change 4.05 / Add 4.05B in Staff Rulings to add that dclass may not kill CI / GOC inside of foundation unless given valid RP reasoning. RP reasoning being that GOI is actively being hostile to them (shooting / holding at fearRP), etc.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
I dont believe so.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
1. Invisible ruling changed
2. Clearer for staff to handle RDM cases where CI / GOC is killed in dblock for no reason.


Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
Butt hurt foundation? I have no response for this one.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
This suggestion should be accepted because currently dclass can just RDM GOIs doing an active raid, and with that being a thing it can ruin entire DC's / AR's which were planned out and potentially just set back to a 30 minute cooldown. DC's / AR's get their disguises, get in dblock, hand out guns, and a dclass can just shoot them with the gun with no consequence which makes no sense in rp either. This should be accepted to clear up RDM cases and provide an OOC ruling to rp effect.

 

[Jimothy"Hamster"]

-Support
I think it makes sense that D class can shoot CI and GOC in site, because in RP they wouldnt know who or what they are, similar to how they dont know what MTFs do. But I think its just common sense that if a GOI is helping Dclass and actively working with them, that in character a Dclass would not harm them. Its just a matter of using common sense and staff looking at the situation to determine whether or not if a Dclass has committed RDM or not.

 

[Change Z. "The Coward"]

-Support
I think it makes sense that D class can shoot CI and GOC in site, because in RP they wouldnt know who or what they are, similar to how they dont know what MTFs do. But I think its just common sense that if a GOI is helping Dclass and actively working with them, that in character a Dclass would not harm them. Its just a matter of using common sense and staff looking at the situation to determine whether or not if a Dclass has committed RDM or not.

"god I hate when the some guy is giving us guns and helping us escape the our captors" +support

 

[Hypercat]

Fully agree +support

 

[Sindrathion]

-Support
I think it makes sense that D class can shoot CI and GOC in site, because in RP they wouldnt know who or what they are, similar to how they dont know what MTFs do. But I think its just common sense that if a GOI is helping Dclass and actively working with them, that in character a Dclass would not harm them. Its just a matter of using common sense and staff looking at the situation to determine whether or not if a Dclass has committed RDM or not.

Staff however can also be biased even if they say they arent. If an F member for example takes the sit and he is annoyed CI is raiding then he can rules in the favour of it was justified. With an added rule it removes some ambiguity in that regard.

Also it makes no sense if everyone keeps saying that D-class need to escape and then if a group gives them the opportunity to do so that they kill that group.

And besides that D-class have a vague idea of what CI is/does because of the several quests that are given out to them and the idle chatter of some foundation personnel.


+support from me

 

[Cloudblade]

+Support

 

[Evil]

+support

 

[YandereMuffin]

I don't think this would add or change anything, RDM already falls under the "reasonable RP reason to kill" idea and adding it wouldn't do much.

And besides that D-class have a vague idea of what CI is/does because of the several quests that are given out to them and the idle chatter of some foundation personnel.

Could you point out where / when this happen? I'm not saying it doesn't exist but beyond hearing "CI raiding" occasionally I don't think as a D-Class I've heard much in casual conversation regarding CI being friendly to D-Class - and definitely never with an actual description of CI.

Not o mention the fact that most D-Class involved in thinks like D-Block raids die and shouldn't really remember what's happening anyways.

 

[James V]

-support
Cope suggestion

 

[darnell]

+ massive support all the way
people finna be job abusing d class just to kill CI DCs and be stupid and fun police. stupid ass ruling

 

[Emilia Foddg]

+Support
Looks weird on the surface, makes sense IMO.

 

[Louis 'Neighbor' John]

+Support
Make dblock fun again.

 

[Jimothy"Hamster"]

Staff however can also be biased even if they say they arent. If an F member for example takes the sit and he is annoyed CI is raiding then he can rules in the favour of it was justified. With an added rule it removes some ambiguity in that regard.

Also it makes no sense if everyone keeps saying that D-class need to escape and then if a group gives them the opportunity to do so that they kill that group.

And besides that D-class have a vague idea of what CI is/does because of the several quests that are given out to them and the idle chatter of some foundation personnel.


+support from me

You can always ask for a second opinion if you think that a staff member is biased.

 

[qShad]

-Support
I think it makes sense that D class can shoot CI and GOC in site, because in RP they wouldnt know who or what they are, similar to how they dont know what MTFs do. But I think its just common sense that if a GOI is helping Dclass and actively working with them, that in character a Dclass would not harm them. Its just a matter of using common sense and staff looking at the situation to determine whether or not if a Dclass has committed RDM or not.

Yes they do. One of the quest descriptions literally talks about how the insurgency is trying to get you out of foundation custody. Why would you try to kill someone that is trying to help you escape?

 

[Evil]

You can always ask for a second opinion if you think that a staff member is biased.

last i check staff no longer are required to get second opinion and tell you to kick rocks

 

[Jimothy"Hamster"]

Yes they do. One of the quest descriptions literally talks about how the insurgency is trying to get you out of foundation custody. Why would you try to kill someone that is trying to help you escape?

Because they dont know what CI look like, and I never said that they should kill people helping them, i said depending on the scenario if a Dclass sees a random CI in site they could kill them in RP because why wouldnt they

 

[Sindrathion]

I don't think this would add or change anything, RDM already falls under the "reasonable RP reason to kill" idea and adding it wouldn't do much.


Could you point out where / when this happen? I'm not saying it doesn't exist but beyond hearing "CI raiding" occasionally I don't think as a D-Class I've heard much in casual conversation regarding CI being friendly to D-Class - and definitely never with an actual description of CI.

Not o mention the fact that most D-Class involved in thinks like D-Block raids die and shouldn't really remember what's happening anyways.

It happends with idle chatter either in the waiting line, while on tests or even when you have a work permit. Also Rogue Randy who gives you quests in D-block is pretty descriptive with some quests about CI. Also enoigh D-class just dont die or dont die that much and if even 1 survives it spreads oretty quickly just by word of mouth. CI is almost common knowledge for everyone and imo it should be. GOC not since theyre not involved as much.