Rule Suggestion Allow D-Class to willingly re-contain SCPs

[Kito]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Removes the rule or ruling(can't find either) preventing D-Class from recontaining SCPs like 106 or 096 since they're both straight forward enough to not need an entire document detailing how to.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Not to my knowledge

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
+ Less uncertainty during sits about what information a D-Class would know reguarding an SCP(think 914's use)
+ Breached SCPs can be recontained by a D-Class acting 'heroically' mirroring certain stories told on the wikidot(not all D-Class are awful people)
+ Extra RP with D-Class containing certain SCPs and being rewarded or compencated by appropriate command / RP leadership(think Ethics giving an award to a D-Class or making them an immediate trustee)
+ D-Class would no longer need to be KOS'd outside of their area because all they are allowed to do is negative for the foundation, now theres some positive they can do

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- 106 is easier to recontain(though removal of the teleport into his CC would alter the easiest way to RC him)
- I cant think of another reason.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Some things might need to change to buff 106 or 096, but in general I think D-Class should be allowed to assist with recontainment, either on their own or with help from other D-Class. The only real issue I could see is them not knowing fully IC how to recontain certain SCPs, but on the other hand every SCP aside from 106 and 096 are termable, or you shoot them to 1%, cuff them, and put them back in their CC. Obviously warning a D-Class for putting 999 back in its cell is rediculous, but with the current rulings an absolutely warnable offense.

I think the possible benifits far outweigh the negatives, since it would instigate more RP from every side else then SCPs, but SCP breaches are generally not RP focused in the first place and have a distinct lack of it, so having just a bit more RP involvement with breaches would help.

 

["Comet"/Shoobinshurt]

-Support
D Classes goal is to escape, they have been locked inside a facility, it doesn't make sense that they would help the people who are shooting them and their fellows, and them risking they lives when they are trying to escape the place.

 

[Kito]

-Support
D Classes goal is to escape, they have been locked inside a facility, it doesn't make sense that they would help the people who are shooting them and their fellows, and them risking they lives when they are trying to escape the place.

D-Class can absolutely try to escape, and sometimes recontaining an SCP would help themselves or other D-Class escape. Not to mention the fact on occasion people are nice to D-Class, and it might give a good incentive to be more cooperative with D-Class instead of immediately firing on them.

Restricting someone's character just because they have an alternative goal of escaping is silly, especially when one of the rewards they COULD earn is their freedom(of course it would never happen, by ICly they don't know that). It could lead to a much better RP loop, and it gives further incentive for SCPs to not team with D-Class.

The only realistic issue I could see is, like I said, SCP-106 being contained by 2 D-Class he took into his dimension and popping out at his CC. Even then, they still need a CL3 to open his door, and if an E-11 sits there and waits for a D-Class, nothing changes.

D-Class shouldn't have to be forced to recontain SCPs, nor should it be a general priority for them, but if they so wish to help and contain a breached SCP, they should be allowed to. The most complicated recontainment procedure is quite literally sit someone in a box, flip 2 levers, and then press a button, and I think if a D-Class sees the obviously marked levers, they could just fiddle with them until 106 gets recontained without needing IC understanding of the SCP.

096 is containable by just walking into his cell, either after looking at his face, or by cuffing and dragging him in, just like with every other SCP.

Furthermore, D-Class could want to redeem themselves, and it might be why they are in essence helping humanity, or what they think is helping humanity, by signing up for a D-Class program. It can be easily justified that they simply don't want to kill anyone anymore, or want to keep the horrors of the Foundation within the Foundation. Not EVERY D-Class thinks that way, of course, but some might, and allowing it would harm nothing aside from SCP breach length, which is already plenty long and frequent enough to need shortening.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

Honestly, D-Class should be the most free and least rule-restricted out of all roles. They're free spirits, loose cannons. Death row inmates and yet held to a series of "sensible" expectations. And yet, if a D-Class suddenly goes on a murder spree in D-Block with a knife... You know, like you might potentially expect from a death row inmate, not typical, but definitely possible, that's MRDM. I get that it's supposed to be the entry point to the server to learn the rules and such, but it also kinda needs to make sense, as well as... Get the player interested. And if players wanna do MRDM sim? Let 'em do it on D-Class (Although tbf, we do have outlets for MRDM sim in both SCPs and CI, but still). Conversely, I understand how a new player might also be uninterested in the server if they themselves become the victim of MRDM - As well as potentially carrying that behaviour into later roles (although TBH as things are, they do that on GenSec anyway). It's this weird, amorphous blob ball-thing of nonsensical haziness.

Either way, I still think that way too many rules apply to D-Class. If a D-Class willingly just decided to help with recontainment, they... Should just be allowed to do that. The only reason why I can think that warrants a warning, is to deter people from swapping onto D-Class from another F role to get the breach over with quicker, but surely that's already job abuse? Regardless, still too strict.
+Support
But I don't envy SSL on this one. Unfortunately the way I see this, you'll most likely be told the easy answer here which'd be something like "No, D-Class are supposed to be loyal to their team and work towards their goals, deliberately helping recontain SCPs is largely counterintuitive and doesn't make sense for something a D-Class should be doing" despite the discourse in the thread that, IMO has sufficiently rebut that.

I fully understand if that's the route that gets taken even if just to avoid the headache of sorting this specific mess out or hesitancy regarding this grey area, but I am happy to be proven wrong on this.

 

[Lightsoulist]

90% sure this is already a thing

 

[Evil]

-support
D class: contain 106
MTF: Shoots dclass cause why not
If d class can't breach scp then then they shouldn't be recontaining them its unrealistic
And this would defy common sense for a d class to help the same people who treats them like dogshit, shoots them and ignores all ethic complaints that d class have made.

 

[Kito]

Honestly, D-Class should be the most free and least rule-restricted out of all roles. They're free spirits, loose cannons. Death row inmates and yet held to a series of "sensible" expectations. And yet, if a D-Class suddenly goes on a murder spree in D-Block with a knife... You know, like you might potentially expect from a death row inmate, not typical, but definitely possible, that's MRDM. I get that it's supposed to be the entry point to the server to learn the rules and such, but it also kinda needs to make sense, as well as... Get the player interested. And if players wanna do MRDM sim? Let 'em do it on D-Class (Although tbf, we do have outlets for MRDM sim in both SCPs and CI, but still). Conversely, I understand how a new player might also be uninterested in the server if they themselves become the victim of MRDM - As well as potentially carrying that behaviour into later roles (although TBH as things are, they do that on GenSec anyway). It's this weird, amorphous blob ball-thing of nonsensical haziness.

Either way, I still think that way too many rules apply to D-Class. If a D-Class willingly just decided to help with recontainment, they... Should just be allowed to do that. The only reason why I can think that warrants a warning, is to deter people from swapping onto D-Class from another F role to get the breach over with quicker, but surely that's already job abuse? Regardless, still too strict.
+Support
But I don't envy SSL on this one. Unfortunately the way I see this, you'll most likely be told the easy answer here which'd be something like "No, D-Class are supposed to be loyal to their team and work towards their goals, deliberately helping recontain SCPs is largely counterintuitive and doesn't make sense for something a D-Class should be doing" despite the discourse in the thread that, IMO has sufficiently rebut that.

I fully understand if that's the route that gets taken even if just to avoid the headache of sorting this specific mess out or hesitancy regarding this grey area, but I am happy to be proven wrong on this.

Mostly just for gameplay purposes, if D-Class could MRDM, then you would have nothing but MRDM. There wouldnt be any RP, but there are missions people can take for money and XP that allow killing other D-Class. As for breaching SCPs, it makes sense that a D-Class might do that just to spite the Foundation, but its a problem gameplay wise because they can easily get disguises(somewhat easily*) and hack stuff out as long as they can get out of D-Block, leading to D-Class being top priority, even over CBs, CI, or GOC raids, because they can just respawn, run back to 914, get a new disguise, and be scott free to breach stuff.

Recontainment is a different story, since they can only recontain stuff thats BREACHED in the first place, and theres a number of reasons why they might want to. For their own safety, to redeem themselves ICly, or for some kind of compensation or reward, and if they dont then they would have to be forced, and either way its more RP for both sides, and a shorter SCP breach.

 

[Kito]

-support
D class: contain 106
MTF: Shoots dclass cause why not
If d class can't breach scp then then they shouldn't be recontaining them its unrealistic
And this would defy common sense for a d class to help the same people who treats them like dogshit, shoots them and ignores all ethic complaints that d class have made.

Realism has nothing to do with the server, or any video game. Authenticity is more applicable, and reasonable to request then realism, since if you wanted to be 'realistic' there wouldnt be a breach, no MTF, about 8 or so D-Class, GSD would get pistols instead of MP5s, medical wouldnt have combat medics, CI and GOC wouldnt be around else then events, and you'd never see O5 or Ethics, SA would sit in their office all day doing paperwork, requesting new D-Class for replacements, food supply, inventory management, chems wouldnt be made hardly ever, no sampling would ever be done, and we'd have like 2 SCPs maybe 3 or 4 max, of which would only be guarded by slightly better equipped security guards with maybe MP5s.

D-Class arent always treated like dogshit, and this change is mostly to reflect the SCP Wikidot along with reducing breaches and their severity. Its silly to be in danger of an SCP, and NOT recontain it if you had the option to. Also not knowing IC how to RC something is a very VERY silly response, since the most complicated RC is flipped 2 levers and pressing 1 button, which the levers are marked, and the button is too. All theyd have to do is fiddle with the controls and something would happen eventually.

Furthermore, if a D-Class watched MTF treat them poorly, they can use that IC to not help out and have that be the reason they refuse to assist with the CB or are less compliant.

 

[Walter532]

Mostly just for gameplay purposes, if D-Class could MRDM, then you would have nothing but MRDM. There wouldnt be any RP, but there are missions people can take for money and XP that allow killing other D-Class. As for breaching SCPs, it makes sense that a D-Class might do that just to spite the Foundation, but its a problem gameplay wise because they can easily get disguises(somewhat easily*) and hack stuff out as long as they can get out of D-Block, leading to D-Class being top priority, even over CBs, CI, or GOC raids, because they can just respawn, run back to 914, get a new disguise, and be scott free to breach stuff.

Recontainment is a different story, since they can only recontain stuff thats BREACHED in the first place, and theres a number of reasons why they might want to. For their own safety, to redeem themselves ICly, or for some kind of compensation or reward, and if they dont then they would have to be forced, and either way its more RP for both sides, and a shorter SCP breach.

It still doesn't make sense how you would know how to recontain 106 or 096, you would need to know to bucket him, wear scrambles, and know how to put him back in his CC, and for 106 would it not be failrp to kill yourself to rc 106. No matter what it makes no sense for a d class to kill himself, another knows how to operate the levers to properly RC him.

 

[Evil]

D-Class arent always treated like dogshit, and this change is mostly to reflect the SCP Wikidot along with reducing breaches and their severity. Its silly to be in danger of an SCP, and NOT recontain it if you had the option to. Also not knowing IC how to RC something is a very VERY silly response, since the most complicated RC is flipped 2 levers and pressing 1 button, which the levers are marked, and the button is too. All theyd have to do is fiddle with the controls and something would happen eventually.

Furthermore, if a D-Class watched MTF treat them poorly, they can use that IC to not help out and have that be the reason they refuse to assist with the CB or are less compliant.

Still, it would make no sense for them to know how to re-contain the SCP. They are only given the bare minimum information of an SCP. They are not going to tell them how to re-contain the SCP because, most likely, they are going to be killed by the SCP and are supposed to be class a If you do not class a them, that's just giving them a bigger reason to be more uncompliant because I don't think someone wants their femur broken to draw out a goopy man who will torture them.

Also, why would a d class go through the trouble of containing a SCP just to be shot by an MTF, and the MTF takes the credit for himself? This defies common sense, and a normal d class would just take this opportunity to escape while combatants are distracted.