Department of Research - CL3.5

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:

Give the Department of Research a “senior CL3” role, much like ISD/DEA have with Investigators and Senior Agents, that is a CL3 role which you can get an ingame whitelist for which does not need a forum application. This role would sit in-between Senior Researcher and Executive Researcher in the Chain of Command.
The only name I could really come up with was Specialist Researcher.
The new CoC would become:
Director of Research (CL4 forum application)
Executive Researcher (CL4 forum application)
Specialist Researcher (CL3.5 ingame whitelist)
Sr, CL2, Jr. (CL3,2,1 levels)

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:

Not to my knowledge.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):

  • Gives a better ranking structure to RSD
  • Lets RSD Command give certain people more responsibility and authority without instantly making them CL4

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:

  • Dev time
  • Job bloat possibly

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:

Currently, the Department of Research has quite a lot of very talented and trustworthy seniors who get grouped in with all the… less worthy seniors. Due to Sr. Researcher being the highest rank you can get in RSD without becoming a CL4, you end up getting every single player who isnt an Exec or DoR grouped up into a massive pool of seniors.
Letting RSD Command promote people internally to Specialist Researcher would signify that this person is trusted and allowed to do more. The exact procedures and extra permissions would be decided on by RSD Command, of course.
 
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Always been a huge strain on research that there is no real way to differentiate amongst seniors. You can have active people playing day in and day out who don't to make the jump to Executive, yet still deserve some recognition and a way to differentiate themselves.

I believe having this role would aid in player retention in RSD, not allowing players to stagnate as badly as they do now.
 
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I did always find it weird that DEA and ISD had these very specialist and granular "climb up the ladder" type hierarchies and RSD, while having structure, just has a few whitelisted positions that you kinda just progress through - I can't put my finger on it, but the RSD progression curve feels off? Although bear in mind that I have not progressed anywhere in any of the aforementioned departments, so I'm not that familiar with how they work internally, but hopefully my point gets across about comparing DEA & ISD with RSD and how (at least, I imagine) it'd be easier to divvy up what access and trust starts where across the greater amount of positions that they have, which RSD's considerably smaller hierarchy (and more entry-level positions, too).

All that, despite the fact that RSD is considerably closer to the centre of what the server is supposed to be about, additionally also considering the importance of RSD regarding new players joining the server and retaining interest in it (which I talk about more in-depth here, with the D-Class/GSD/RSD RP triangle I bring up). I can also see there being a case that forum whitelist applications would be intimidating for newer players (As someone who has previously possessed both in-game whitelist and forum whitelist CL4 roles (E-11 CPT & OSA), I can agree that there is a degree of unapproachability that naturally comes with the latter) and that RSD suddenly jumping from positions you earn in-game via levelling to "if you want to a progress further role in the department, make a whitelist application on the forums" (albeit there's a bit more nuance to that, but) would seem unfriendly to newer players. Having an in-game whitelisted position that is obtained similarly to the entry positions of DEA/ISD would help with that.

Additionally consider the nature of how testing permissions are handled - On either server, you can only do such-and-such test with such-and-such permissions, the red tape of what you can do as a specific class of researcher. A position like this would allow far more flexibility for RP leadership roles to be able to divvy that up (similar to what I said before about DEA & ISD and the access & trust afforded per position as you go up the hierarchy) if there was an additional RSD role they could do so with. I can't think of any off the top of my head (most likely due to my lack of experience in the area), but I imagine if this was discussed with RSD leadership across both servers, they could feasibly determine some weird grey area permissions that would feel too much to allow a Sr. Researcher, but restricting it to Exec+ would be overkill - I imagine that as a DoR yourself, you could hash some out.

Now, if you said that this wouldn't fix RSD overnight, I would agree. This wouldn't be a panacea for RSD and it's entirely likely that similar trust issues would resurface, with things ultimately remaining the same, but just with more positions. After thinking about every factor of this I can reasonably conceive, I firmly believe that the potential benefits of the addition of this job outweigh its problems, however I would understand the hesitancy surrounding adding an entirely new job.

Therefore, I would recommend that this be handled similarly to the Assistant job slot increase discussion, as they would be somewhat comparable in impact (Plus, the addition of a new RSD job does mean more RSD job slots, however they are technically infinite if you count Junior Researchers) - Both UK and US RSD Leadership should discuss the prospect of this with Content, present the case of what would differentiate this from Sr. Researcher, why it's needed, what purpose it would serve on the server, how it would be beneficial, and a few of the other intricacies of implementing this job (For example, I imagine it would need a loadout similar to Sr. Researcher?).
 
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I honestly think all departments should have a Cl3+ job that can be granted to those who prove competent. It helps with a sense of progression. GSD has Sergeant, ISD has Investigator, DEA has Senior Agents. I don't see why RSD should be left out, RSD is the backbone of RP on these servers, and those who do a good job should be recognized for it without having to deal with a exec applicaiton.

Besides, it's not bloat if it serves a purpose; And this has immense potential value for the research department.
 
RSD, while having structure, just has a few whitelisted positions that you kinda just progress through - I can't put my finger on it, but the RSD progression curve feels off?
That's because RSD doesn't have a progression curve. You can get up to the highest non-forum app role in RSD by walking back and forth between D-Block and inanimate as a Junior Researcher for a few hours and boom, you're Sr. Researcher Jimmy Lugnut ready to save the day.

There is nothing in RSD currently that can differentiate a level grinder from someone who's doing great work as a CL3.

Also, I believe Medical also don't have a CL3.5 role? Though in my eyes this is excused by the fact their entire department requires a medical license training, and stuff like Combat Medic is still whitelisted.
I honestly think all departments should have a Cl3+ job that can be granted to those who prove competent. It helps with a sense of progression. GSD has Sergeant, ISD has Investigator, DEA has Senior Agents.
I agree with this. Same could be said for Medical, though that's for their leadership to decide if they want a role like that or not.
Therefore, I would recommend that this be handled similarly to the Assistant job slot increase discussion, as they would be somewhat comparable in impact (Plus, the addition of a new RSD job does mean more RSD job slots, however they are technically infinite if you count Junior Researchers)
I'd absolutely be willing to take a hit to Senior Researcher job slots if it meant we could have job slots for Specialist Researcher. Even lowering the max Senior amount from 6 (i think?) to 4, and giving 2 slots to Specialist, would be fine in my eyes.
they could feasibly determine some weird grey area permissions that would feel too much to allow a Sr. Researcher, but restricting it to Exec+ would be overkill
Oh, absolutely. There are plenty things (at least on UK's side of things) that are too significant to warrant Sr. Researchers being allowed to authorise it themselves, but are more of a burden to Executives than a responsibility.
Things like authorising Thaumatologists and Materialise, cross-tests between CL1 Safe-class SCP's (999 and 2295 for example), etc. All of these could with a bit of tinkering be available for Specialist Researchers to do as well.
+Support, USA hits max senior researcher atleast three times a day at the moment so adding another role allows for more LARP instead of people playing other roles
Hi Josh, I totally forgot to ask US RSDCL4 about this suggestion when I made this, my bad. Good to see you like it as well, though.
 
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Actually being able to provide a role within the RSD hierarchy that can be given a modicum of trust to act in an appropriate way would be a godsend.

The ability for RSD to make policy based upon the assumption that there is a group of players that can be relied upon to perform quality RP and not be minges on the job means that many things that currently require Executive approval, and thus require a lot of additional tasks and duties to be performed to be attainable to most, can be provided more freely.
 
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Apart from "muh perms" you'd give to this role, what else could it get? What content can other players unlock by getting this new role?

I think its a great idea in principle but it needs a more rewarding aspect to it for the motivation factor so players work up to it
Overrides to CL4 SCP's, ability to credit researchers, etc.

With Research being a roleplay-focused department there isn't really much to add in terms of content with a new role. Hell, you don't even really get any new "content" when you get Executive/DoR.
 
Neutral on this one

This is one of the few roles that actually could just be an IC thing. If this wouldn't be functionally different from Sr. Researcher and would just be a name, then this could just be something you put in your name like [RSD-SPC]
I mean, so could Investigator/Senior Agent/Sergeant be. Just a tag in your name. I just want RSD to have an actual ingame progression system supported by server content like the other departments have.
 
Neutral, Senior agent isnt a Sr CL3 and I don't know about investigator. Also im pretty sure they have those roles because they are Site Affairs. Also what difference would it have from a regular Senior Researcher?
 
Neutral, Senior agent isnt a Sr CL3 and I don't know about investigator. Also im pretty sure they have those roles because they are Site Affairs. Also what difference would it have from a regular Senior Researcher?
GSD Sergeant, ISD Investigator and DEA Sr. Agent are seen as "more senior" versions of the CL3 jobs in their respective departments.

Their differences come from their extra permissions policy-wise, such as (afaik) ISD Investigator being allowed to use more disguises, Sr. Agent being allowed to use the tac tablet and Sergeant being allowed to lead riots / credit GSD personnel.

Specialist Researcher's differences to Senior would also he policy-related, such as test / sampling auth, crediting etc.
 
GSD Sergeant, ISD Investigator and DEA Sr. Agent are seen as "more senior" versions of the CL3 jobs in their respective departments.

Their differences come from their extra permissions policy-wise, such as (afaik) ISD Investigator being allowed to use more disguises, Sr. Agent being allowed to use the tac tablet and Sergeant being allowed to lead riots / credit GSD personnel.

Specialist Researcher's differences to Senior would also he policy-related, such as test / sampling auth, crediting etc.
ISD Investigator gets access to the Tranq Pistol, a bit of content they had to work up to

Just having a role with zero additional content but solely based on permissions etc (Which echo that of an Executive?) is just not going to work the way you think it is

I think you need to find something that the role could get their hands on to make it attractive
 
ISD Investigator gets access to the Tranq Pistol, a bit of content they had to work up to

Just having a role with zero additional content but solely based on permissions etc (Which echo that of an Executive?) is just not going to work the way you think it is

I think you need to find something that the role could get their hands on to make it attractive
I'd love it if Research had more content-oriented things I could give to Specialist, but that's a seperate suggestion in and of itself. RSD doesn't really have any "cool" content that makes them interesting (DEA get drones, ISD get tranqs, GSD get beanbags, Medical can revive people, RSD has... nothing, really, except maybe Cartographer, and even then people just drop 50mL of anomalous matter on the floor instead.)