Prevent Possible 914/Disguise Metagaming

[Cerkai]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
After using 914 to disguise, on the leaderboard it still shows whether or not your MCD/DCLASS and the only thing that changes is your name/job title.
I'm suggesting that after successfully using 914, instead of only changing your name, it masks your job class and puts you in the class you disguised into to prevent people looking at leaderboard to see what DClass are under the effects of 914.

So lets say I use 914 as a dclass and become a combat medic "Medic Serk" , my suggestion implies that instead of my "Team" showing Class D Personnel, it would change color and group me into Combat Medic whilst nothing else changes. I feel as if people do tend to metagame using leaderboards and its just not something we as class D or anyone would be able to prove yet this could be an effective way to combat it.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
To the extent of my knowledge, no. I have thought about making a suggestion like this for awhile though.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
Help continue roleplay and rule out some forms of metagaming for classes.
Combat looking at leaderboard to see who is in 914 disguise and to use it to their advantage in a type of way.
Could also rule out some meta gaming sits in the future for future users of 914 and increase some of the fun feeling more undercover.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
Genuinely I cannot see any negatives with the exception of one, and I feel as if it would be a good QoL change.
The negative I do see is the possible staff sits regarding RDM but could be resolved with a kill message or something similar such as,
'You were killed by an intruder."

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Combat metagaming as a DClass and make the experience getting to 914 and a disguise a little better. Could cause less sits and meta gaming accusations when the opposing team who possibly died or looking to see who used 914, cannot check leaderboard to see if we are under disguise or not due to this possible change hiding the fact we are even DClass at all.

This could also benefit CI Deep Cover aswell or anyone using disguises of any possible form.

 

[Sleepino]

Neutral
i feel this can be good and bad in both ways the main issue i'm seeing with this is players calling rdm sits on dclass because they don't realise they're disguised and while yes i'm sure people do metagame with the leaderboard its best just to call a admin sit on that person if they kill ID check etc using that information

 

[Cerkai]

Neutral
i feel this can be good and bad in both ways the main issue i'm seeing with this is players calling rdm sits on dclass because they don't realise they're disguised and while yes i'm sure people do metagame with the leaderboard its best just to call a admin sit on that person if they kill ID check etc using that information

Maybe a death message or something small that could indicate it wasnt rdm such as " You were killed by an intruder. "

 

[Wolff]

Maybe a death message or something small that could indicate it wasnt rdm such as " You were killed by an intruder. "

Amogus

 

[Steffan]

+rep, genius suggestion, now we just need a way to steal foundation comms

 

[Timmy Bill]

If you get metagamed there's a pretty cool command everyone can do!

@ I got metagamed in a 914 disguise

 

[Steffan]

Neutral
i feel this can be good and bad in both ways the main issue i'm seeing with this is players calling rdm sits on dclass because they don't realise they're disguised and while yes i'm sure people do metagame with the leaderboard its best just to call a admin sit on that person if they kill ID check etc using that information

This already happens when you kill D-class for assassination missions, the solution they used there was to show a popup in chat so you know you were killed because of a D-block mission and not just RDM'd.

 

[Steffan]

If you get metagamed there's a pretty cool command everyone can do!

@ I got metagamed in a 914 disguise

Don't you see any value in taking work off the shoulders of staff so they can focus on other tasks?
If it's completely dealt with IC then its much better for server health than being required to call an admin.

 

[Cerkai]

If you get metagamed there's a pretty cool command everyone can do!

@ I got metagamed in a 914 disguise

its just not something we as class D or anyone would be able to prove yet this could be an effective way to combat it.

This could possibly lower the chances of an instance of metagaming happening and as what Steffan said, less sits for the staff as there are quite a few sits I see happening due to potential 914 meta game. Sometimes metagaming is something that could be tricky to prove and yet time consuming as well for staff.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

+/- Neutral, leaning +Support-ish
I feel like this might be denied for metagaming already being a thing that's policed by staff - However the problem with that is that this is a form of metagame that's not easily policeable (unless it's extremely blatant, like the person said they used the leaderboard or something). How would you be able to tell if someone saw that you were disguised via the leaderboards? Even if people do something like call out a fake medic in comms, there are genuine ways in which someone would find out about the fake medic and then that would reasonably be called out in comms - I agree that there's an issue with this and it's difficult to police.

HOWEVER - I also see this just replacing the metagame issue with a new one;
Let's take combat medics for example. Combat medics IIRC have 6 slots max. They're easily filled, especially around peak times and they usually remain filled for quite a while - So what I'm about to say has a distinctly high likelihood of happening:

6 Combat medics, 1 D-Class uses 914 and gets a combat medic disguise. Leaderboard shows 7 combat medics. With this suggestion's changes, you can then metagame by using the fact of the leaderboard showing 7 combat medics over the 6 max to infer that there's someone disguised. So you kinda... Don't really solve the problem.

I agree that there should be something done about this issue; My first thought is for 914 to just not change anything in the leaderboard at all - But then you could name check against the leaderboard and metagame that way.

...This is an extremely difficult problem to solve and I don't see any workable solution at this time.

 

[Cerkai]

+/- Neutral, leaning +Support-ish
I feel like this might be denied for metagaming already being a thing that's policed by staff - However the problem with that is that this is a form of metagame that's not easily policeable (unless it's extremely blatant, like the person said they used the leaderboard or something). How would you be able to tell if someone saw that you were disguised via the leaderboards? Even if people do something like call out a fake medic in comms, there are genuine ways in which someone would find out about the fake medic and then that would reasonably be called out in comms - I agree that there's an issue with this and it's difficult to police.

HOWEVER - I also see this just replacing the metagame issue with a new one;
Let's take combat medics for example. Combat medics IIRC have 6 slots max. They're easily filled, especially around peak times and they usually remain filled for quite a while - So what I'm about to say has a distinctly high likelihood of happening:

6 Combat medics, 1 D-Class uses 914 and gets a combat medic disguise. Leaderboard shows 7 combat medics. With this suggestion's changes, you can then metagame by using the fact of the leaderboard showing 7 combat medics over the 6 max to infer that there's someone disguised. So you kinda... Don't really solve the problem.

I agree that there should be something done about this issue; My first thought is for 914 to just not change anything in the leaderboard at all - But then you could name check against the leaderboard and metagame that way.

...This is an extremely difficult problem to solve and I don't see any workable solution at this time.

Quoting "My first thought is for 914 to just not change anything in the leaderboard at all - But then you could name check against the leaderboard and metagame that way."

That is actually a great idea, and maybe possible to prevent name checking making 914 give you an alternative nickname, have a list of randomized nicknames and when it changes your job title and nickname, it wont update via leaderboards ruling out name checking all together.

Leaving you with a completely randomized job and nickname that cannot be checked, and to also include somewhat of a death message to what Steffan said, " You were killed by an intruder. "

That should solve the RDM and Name issue, leaving only one issue being that, if they think you're disguised check leaderboards and do not see where your randomized job/name should be.