Denied 912 Rule update and equipment update

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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
[912 rules and possibly some of his equipment as 912 should be allowed access to gensec comms and radio for better communication in many circumstances and that he should be granted a cl1 keycard to open low level doors including D-block to assist for the rule change 912 should be able to refuse orders that are unreasonable or against what his orders intel ethically etc meaning you cant order him to beat d-class to death and no warning in airlock and that this means it'll be more better to improve RP so that things run more smoothly as for the rule suggestion 912 cant be re-contained without valid proof of what had happened for him to be recontained and shouldn't be re-contained if it is deemed necessary by ISD inspector+ or sergeant+ so that if something happens it is their call to recontain him or not and must provide evidence. ]

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
[Maybe/possibly]

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
[ 1 This can improve RP and decision making in regards of gensec rp and other rp so that things run better 2 if given this rule and equipment this may mean that it can make things run smoother leading to quicker reaction being taken in regards of d-block RP and etc.]

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
[1 this can interfere with certain actions taken in IC in the server for example if GSD were to try to recontain me theyd need more evidence and proof to do anything about it plus it would have to had been a very good reason which can lead to aggression and people being upset 2 with the new radio for 912 this may lead to arguing and problems as to whether he should or shouldnt have a radio]
 
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Atlas_Relics said:
What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
[912 rules and possibly some of his equipment as 912 should be allowed access to gensec comms and radio for better communication in many circumstances and that he should be granted a cl1 keycard to open low level doors including D-block to assist for the rule change 912 should be able to refuse orders that are unreasonable or against what his orders intel ethically etc meaning you cant order him to beat d-class to death and no warning in airlock and that this means it'll be more better to improve RP so that things run more smoothly as for the rule suggestion 912 cant be re-contained without valid proof of what had happened for him to be recontained and shouldn't be re-contained if it is deemed necessary by ISD inspector+ or sergeant+ so that if something happens it is their call to recontain him or not and must provide evidence. ]

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
[Maybe/possibly]

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
[ 1 This can improve RP and decision making in regards of gensec rp and other rp so that things run better 2 if given this rule and equipment this may mean that it can make things run smoother leading to quicker reaction being taken in regards of d-block RP and etc.]

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
[1 this can interfere with certain actions taken in IC in the server for example if GSD were to try to recontain me theyd need more evidence and proof to do anything about it plus it would have to had been a very good reason which can lead to aggression and people being upset 2 with the new radio for 912 this may lead to arguing and problems as to whether he should or shouldnt have a radio]
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912 follows whatever orders regaurdless of if its ethical it makes no sense why in character it would be anything else, it creates RP
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Advil Smith said:
912 follows whatever orders regaurdless of if its ethical it makes no sense why in character it would be anything else, it creates RP
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so you think its fair to make 912 do whatever regardless of ethics and etc? you think its ok to fucking recontain 912 for whatever reason is that what im hearing if thats the case whats the point of 912 rp if half the time he just fucking gets recontained for some stupid reason or if its unethical/unreasonable.
 
Atlas_Relics said:
so you think its fair to make 912 do whatever regardless of ethics and etc? you think its ok to fucking recontain 912 for whatever reason is that what im hearing if thats the case whats the point of 912 rp if half the time he just fucking gets recontained for some stupid reason or if its unethical/unreasonable.
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Yes thats exactly what im saying its kind of the way 912 is balanced that any combative can order him pretty much anything as long as it doesn’t break ooc stuff. Secondly if 912 isn’t following a order because he thinks its unethical then thats grounds for recontainment as 912 is supposed to follow orders
 
WaffleDevs said:
-support dont give a breachable scp a keycard + comms
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912 should have ATLEAST cl1 because theres lots of issues regarding "oh wack the fucking door or just ask" like tf? whats the point plus cl1 is still harmless and cant do anything plus it makes sure 912 can get through certain doors plus when 912 breaches it can be removed during said breach to be fair.
Advil Smith said:
Yes thats exactly what im saying its kind of the way 912 is balanced that any combative can order him pretty much anything as long as it doesn’t break ooc stuff. Secondly if 912 isn’t following a order because he thinks its unethical then thats grounds for recontainment as 912 is supposed to follow orders
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so you think thats fair? well guess what advil its not and plus theres rules for scps for a reason and should have improvement because if uncommon or not plus that isnt grounds for recontainment when there should be better fucking reasons to recontain 912 than very petty reasons or stupid reasons if there isnt anything proven behind it.
 
Atlas_Relics said:
so you think thats fair? well guess what advil its not and plus theres rules for scps for a reason and should have improvement because if uncommon or not plus that isnt grounds for recontainment when there should be better fucking reasons to recontain 912 than very petty reasons or stupid reasons if there isnt anything proven behind it.
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I mean if your disobeying orders and not breached its a staff issue I would think you would want to be recontained
 
Atlas_Relics said:
what does aim have to do with anything.
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Because it seems like you just wanna play a GSD that can't die to D-Class with no cons. Players that want/do this tend to be the ones that get gunned down by a D-Class Scout while carrying a LMG. AKA:Cannot aim. So they play 912 so D-Class can't kill them.

So if you want a CL1, and you want GSD Comms, then play a Cadet.
 
Ok bud GSD has 0 relation to this plus aim has 0 relation either all I suggested was 912 to be able to use comms to better handle situations such as riots etc and to use cl1 to get past d-block doors and such which can easily be removed during their breach to be fair and ontop of that I believe prior as to what I said up top doesn’t relate to anything about aim or anything cause all I said was hey we should make 912 more fair and be more useful instead of just being recontained 24/7 for petty reasons it’s that simple to understand a suggestion rather than being something up that has nothing to do with the suggestion
 
Advil Smith said:
I mean if your disobeying orders and not breached its a staff issue I would think you would want to be recontained
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So you’re gonna approve letting people recontained 912 for some of the most moronic reasons to think of? And honestly I don’t even understand what that last part was you just said and plus to approve and still let players recontained 912 for anything if they don’t do as you tell them to as to which oh hey 912 if you don’t kill that person you’ll be recontained or hey 912 if you don’t do this you get recontained which is becoming a common courtesy of people such as yourself which is what I call power gaming over 912 authority which I see as unfair.
 
I honestly expected this from people like yall openly admitting to something like this being ok when you don’t get it at all
 
Atlas_Relics said:
What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
[912 rules and possibly some of his equipment as 912 should be allowed access to gensec comms and radio for better communication in many circumstances and that he should be granted a cl1 keycard to open low level doors including D-block to assist for the rule change 912 should be able to refuse orders that are unreasonable or against what his orders intel ethically etc meaning you cant order him to beat d-class to death and no warning in airlock and that this means it'll be more better to improve RP so that things run more smoothly as for the rule suggestion 912 cant be re-contained without valid proof of what had happened for him to be recontained and shouldn't be re-contained if it is deemed necessary by ISD inspector+ or sergeant+ so that if something happens it is their call to recontain him or not and must provide evidence. ]

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
[Maybe/possibly]

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
[ 1 This can improve RP and decision making in regards of gensec rp and other rp so that things run better 2 if given this rule and equipment this may mean that it can make things run smoother leading to quicker reaction being taken in regards of d-block RP and etc.]

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
[1 this can interfere with certain actions taken in IC in the server for example if GSD were to try to recontain me theyd need more evidence and proof to do anything about it plus it would have to had been a very good reason which can lead to aggression and people being upset 2 with the new radio for 912 this may lead to arguing and problems as to whether he should or shouldnt have a radio]
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-Sup.

SCP-912 is an anomaly, and a dangerous one at that.

You do not grant an entity that can go buckwild at any given moment and start randomly massacring site-personnel a keycard.

As for the matter relating to who can order its recontainment, this is an in-character case in my book. Per server lore SCP-912 can communicate; File a complaint with the ethics committee if you feel you've been unjustly contained.
 
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Atlas_Relics said:
So you’re gonna approve letting people recontained 912 for some of the most moronic reasons to think of? And honestly I don’t even understand what that last part was you just said and plus to approve and still let players recontained 912 for anything if they don’t do as you tell them to as to which oh hey 912 if you don’t kill that person you’ll be recontained or hey 912 if you don’t do this you get recontained which is becoming a common courtesy of people such as yourself which is what I call power gaming over 912 authority which I see as unfair.
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If you aren’t following orders that is like #1 reason to recontain 912. This includes only taking orders which are ethical. It is a staff issue if9 12 isn’t following orders while not breached but recontainment or leaving the scp cuffed is often done. No idea why your crashing out but 912 can’t choose what orders to do kind of his whole thing
 
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