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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Make teamspeak OOC, forcing people to use ingame comms and the ingame radio for IC communication.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Connor Membo

Denied Thread 'Ingame radios to replace teamspeak'

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Adding a radio to roles that need teamspeak.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
There's been some suggestions like this but all of them i can see talk about giving every job a radio instead of the jobs that actually need them like MTF and CI.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
Reduce metagaming and ghosting since people wont be able to speak on the radio while dead.
Remove the need for any externals like teamspeak.
Adds RP with people potentially being able...
There was also a poll in the discord, both were before work has been done on the radio system to make it work better. The reason I am suggesting this now after the poll was done is because the poll was done right as the addon was implemented, before the radio groups were added.

Possible Positives of the suggestion:
Much better roleplay
Significantly less metagame
People cant use telepathy to have conversations in front of you

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
It is possible to metagame radio frequencies, meaning people could listen in on radio comms while on a different job.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Lets be real, anyone who has been in a regiment, department or faction that uses TS knows how much metagaming happens in them, people call out stuff after they die, people constantly call out things they shouldn't really know in character as well as other issues. Having all communication like that happen in game allows staff to moderate it through spectating or logs and generally discourages metagaming like that. Another issue with TS is the fact that people are able to just have telepathic conversations, giving complex orders while in a group of people which honestly makes no sense, things like "hey lets shoot this guy on 3... 2... 1..." shouldn't be able to be something you can just organise in TS, lets be honest it's just bad RP when things like kill codewords exist. The poll in the discord already passed when the radio system did not have radio groups, now that radio groups have been added the radios are much easier to use and could easily replace teamspeak.
 
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Damian 'Damned' said:
You do realise other factions exist other than ci? I know its crazy but not everyone uses teamspeak to metagame!!!!! Maybe some people hate when timmy gives permament hearing damage after a scream or two which won’t ever happen on teamspeak or if it does you can lower your the volume.
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What are you even saying mate
 
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Dusk said:
TeamSpeak is already OOC.
Its considered Mixing and a violation of rule 1.06.
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This is wrong... it was put to vote and never passed+ it was confirmed semi recently that TS is in-character... The TERM teamspeak would be mixing (saying to get in teamspeak) however referencing it as secondary comms or radio is typically done
 
Damian 'Damned' said:
Is this an offical ruling? I have been told differents things before
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Not to sound rude or anything but it sorta already makes sense it's mixing that you're using information out of the game for in character reasonings. It sorta made sense previously with no internal communication device and since it's really hard to mandate and prove otherwise.
ripjaw567 said:
This is wrong... it was put to vote and never passed+ it was confirmed semi recently that TS is in-character... The TERM teamspeak would be mixing (saying to get in teamspeak) however referencing it as secondary comms or radio is typically done
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That was at a time where internal communication devices were non existent, resulting in less usages of voice communications. Simply using information from TeamSpeak is naturally a form of mixing, you're gaining information out of the normal standards for In-Character dialogue. I personally believe this is still mixing and from the past I would personally exempt anyone from it given the circumstances, however now not so much.

I don't pursue a path of injustice for anyone using this for its intended purpose, however now that there are outlets to allow individuals to communicate how they should, its frowned upon and should be treated as mixing.
 
Dusk said:
Not to sound rude or anything but it sorta already makes sense it's mixing that you're using information out of the game for in character reasonings. It sorta made sense previously with no internal communication device and since it's really hard to mandate and prove otherwise.

That was at a time where internal communication devices were non existent, resulting in less usages of voice communications. Simply using information from TeamSpeak is naturally a form of mixing, you're gaining information out of the normal standards for In-Character dialogue. I personally believe this is still mixing and from the past I would personally exempt anyone from it given the circumstances, however now not so much.

I don't pursue a path of injustice for anyone using this for its intended purpose, however now that there are outlets to allow individuals to communicate how they should, its frowned upon and should be treated as mixing.
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If it were to be a rule, it would fall under metagame - not mixing. My comment is in regards to you stating or implying that it is CURRENTLY against rules to use TS for In-character communication, which is false, as it is currently perfectly allowed for IC use, currently still used for IC use, outside of set specific channels (The SCP ts channel being an example of a MARKED OOC channel).

Feel free to ping me in Discord if you would like to continue this conversation, as to avoid cluttering of the forums responses.
 
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