096 door interactions

[DarkSun]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
This change would allow clearance level 0 doors near 096 to open in some fashion, not exactly on demand but maybe something along the lines of given enough time 096 would bump the keypad. Just anyway for him to get doors open that don’t require clearance and still fit the lore of the character

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?: i do not believe anything similar has been suggested

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
this would allow 096 to roam further when hes in his roam state making his breaches more fair to him as scrambles and buckets counter him so harshly the least he should be able to do is open a door with no security clearance.

Giving 096 more freedom when roaming would encourage more people to play on 096, as it stands due to his whitelist most of the people who can play him don't usually due to the severity of his counters

Possible Negatives of the suggestion: i really cant see how this could be negative other than 096 being able to go further than intended when breached.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted: This suggestion is a relatively small change that only effects those who have the ability to play as 096 and those who try to recontain him, he already moves really slow and is easy to recontain.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

As an 096 main, I can sort of see your idea here. I think a lot of the downvotes come from the fact that 096 itself is actually very strong in the majority of situations it's present in, but never really by itself - And the fact that its breach operates very differently to how other breaches work. It has different balancing.

Additionally, my immediate thought is that "it doesn't make sense for 096 to be able to just wilfully use CL0 keypads and open their connected doors" given its nature. I don't think this is particularly abusable by any means. Most extreme example I can think of is someone ducking into a little CL0 area such as the entrance to reactor? And just hiding in there? But A) They can do that already with rooms that have standard non-keypad doors (096 can use those doors) B) The rule against SCP camping is still a thing and I think could apply here.

I don't see very many ways to abuse this. The more I think about this idea as a whole... It ultimately seems harmless? I mean, there's the angle of it encouraging undesired behaviour on 096? With very niche stuff like opening and closing doors for other SCPs, especially in situations where 096 needs to sit still after getting all targets, and is near a keypad (Which in my experience, is more often than you'd think) - So something like 096 + 8837, if 096 is just near the keypad, opening and closing a CL0 door for 8837 that's fighting people who are on the other side of the door, that's basically the difference between life and death for the 8837. The 096 doesn't care, they're invincible. And they're certainly not getting beamed and cuffed because the 8837 is holding off everything trying to do so. But this is a whitelisted role, we have rules for this role & expect people on whitelisted roles to behave. The example scenario I gave would absolutely be actioned against if taken to a sit.

Honestly? ...Just don't make it immediate. Make it a timed thing based on how long 096 is near the keypad, so that it's less "096 immediately and wilfully going for the CL0 keypad to open the door" and more "096 just so happened to bump the CL0 keypad and open the door." This way it wouldn't be as abusable, nor would one or two closed CL0 doors completely destroy the enjoyment of an 096 breach, while also giving 096 a little more threat that IMO, it could use. That kind of addition would be perfectly balanced, IMO.
+Conditional Support

 

[Tylenol Smith]

all scps should be able to open da noor +support

 

[Skinner]

096 is blind in lore how is he meant to do this?

 

[Aphex]

096 is blind in lore how is he meant to do this?

Regardless of if he is blind or not, 096 breaches on their own are (a majority of the time) crazy easy to counter. 096's main motivation (at least from my perspective) would be to escape to surface and find an isolated area, far away from any populated area. This would make it MUCH easier to achieve.

+Support

 

[Emilia Foddg]

Let's also give 096 souls-style movement with action commitment, to properly convey how non-sapient and uncontrolled he's supposed to be.

 

[Turtle]

+support


i dont see why not, 096 breaches are so easy to recontain, an ability to open a door to look for a more hidden place would be alr

 

[DarkSun]

As an 096 main, I can sort of see your idea here. I think a lot of the downvotes come from the fact that 096 itself is actually very strong in the majority of situations it's present in, but never really by itself - And the fact that its breach operates very differently to how other breaches work. It has different balancing.

Additionally, my immediate thought is that "it doesn't make sense for 096 to be able to just wilfully use CL0 keypads and open their connected doors" given its nature. I don't think this is particularly abusable by any means. Most extreme example I can think of is someone ducking into a little CL0 area such as the entrance to reactor? And just hiding in there? But A) They can do that already with rooms that have standard non-keypad doors (096 can use those doors) B) The rule against SCP camping is still a thing and I think could apply here.

I don't see very many ways to abuse this. The more I think about this idea as a whole... It ultimately seems harmless? I mean, there's the angle of it encouraging undesired behaviour on 096? With very niche stuff like opening and closing doors for other SCPs, especially in situations where 096 needs to sit still after getting all targets, and is near a keypad (Which in my experience, is more often than you'd think) - So something like 096 + 8837, if 096 is just near the keypad, opening and closing a CL0 door for 8837 that's fighting people who are on the other side of the door, that's basically the difference between life and death for the 8837. The 096 doesn't care, they're invincible. And they're certainly not getting beamed and cuffed because the 8837 is holding off everything trying to do so. But this is a whitelisted role, we have rules for this role & expect people on whitelisted roles to behave. The example scenario I gave would absolutely be actioned against if taken to a sit.

Honestly? ...Just don't make it immediate. Make it a timed thing based on how long 096 is near the keypad, so that it's less "096 immediately and wilfully going for the CL0 keypad to open the door" and more "096 just so happened to bump the CL0 keypad and open the door." This way it wouldn't be as abusable, nor would one or two closed CL0 doors completely destroy the enjoyment of an 096 breach, while also giving 096 a little more threat that IMO, it could use. That kind of addition would be perfectly balanced, IMO.
+Conditional Support

I really like this idea of them sorta opening after a certain amount of time, really implement it however is possible, so long as he has a way too get them open

 

[Emilia Foddg]

I really like this idea of them sorta opening after a certain amount of time, really implement it however is possible, so long as he has a way too get them open

Consider updating the OP to stress that you don't particularly mind about the exact implementation, so long as there would be some way for 096 to somehow open a CL0 door when not enraged - As well as giving some examples of how it could be anything more involved and less straightforward than "096 walks up to the keypad and presses E".

As useful as thread discussion is, with the amount of suggestions they want to process regularly (as well as suggestions not being their primary focus), it'd be unreasonable to always expect CT to go over the full nuance of the discussion had in the thread. This would improve the chances that the idea goes through.