just ask staff, i dont see much point in having devs implement this
Rare Niox L - Are there just that many staff members in CI that you're not able to see the issue? Please give this some more thought.
i meant fridges and also yes they can opened by a few jobs but like accesible to whatever MAJ Is for like CI,MTF whatever as most goi's would be able to Blacklist them quicker then asking for a staff member to check logs etc
I think the suggestion needs rewording to better reflect what's being asked for as it's not clear; Right now, the suggestion on the surface just looks like it's asking for the existence of a log in the first place - But I highly doubt this is what's being asked for, especially since you talk about it being given to regimental COs and such, in the form of either a UI or as part of the personnel tablet (IMO, the better option, push this if you rewrite the post). If true, you may want to consider rewording it so as to avoid the distinct possibility of CT misinterpreting it when it gets looked at. I myself think that this is an idea that interests me and I would like to see it explored, so I will contribute as much as I am able;
I haven't been on the server in a long time so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about any of this, but I suspect that a lot of what I have to say here is still accurate to some degree, but based on my past experience as an E-11 CPT - The current way to do anything about chem theft is to first check what is present against what records you might have, that generally is able to tell you whether or not things are as they should be.
Basically, the first and only real indicator that the people taking care of their chem fridges has, to determine whether or not someone has actually taken something from their fridge when they shouldn't have, is to manually check for it via regular audits. If everything matches, good. If something's wrong, why is it wrong? When I was in the regiment, I remember that we weren't that strict about anyone taking stuff like potent dulox and such - We didn't demand everyone that log every little thing. We encouraged it as habit, but generally we assumed that if a little of the speed chems were missing, that would be fine and we assumed that people took it just to deal with C5s. After all, only specific jobs can take from the fridges. We were only majorly concerned about either large thefts (Litres upon litres of potent going missing at a time), the unfortunately significantly common case of people abusing their access to the fridges to resell commonly-used chems and more valuable chems (Immortal flesh, NHU, etc.)
This is kind of a flimsy first line of defence that could be improved with access to a definite log - And again, chem fridge logs DO exist. But they're only accessible to staff at... I believe HMod+? (I also don't know if they're specific to each fridge or just server-wide. I don't imagine it's the latter, but if so, that's another problem in and of itself.) So when we suspect something has been taken, we call a sit and say "Hey, we think someone took stuff from our fridge, can you go through the logs and help check please? We believe that X amount of Y is missing and it was taken some time within the last Z." So then
they go through the logs to confirm or deny our suspicion.
Unfortunately there is some scuff with how the logs are, that a significant amount of the time, we aren't able to get a positive because logs just don't capture that period of time for whatever reason - Or if there's a rollback or something, etc. There's nothing that can be done about information lost in this manner - But not having to rely on the availability of specific staff ranks to be able to access that information would be a good mitigation against this, as it means we could catch a potential theft sooner (i.e. We start suspecting that someone has taken stuff, but no-one of the requisite rank is available until following some kind of rollback or other event that would then effectively erase that log info - If COs were able to grab a credible screenshot of a log plainly showing that such and such SteamID stole 1L of NHU, we can show that to staff and potentially action the theft).
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Regimental COs, I would argue, are a kind of RP leadership. MTF COs may not be considered as RP leadership as
RP leadership per se (on the level of SA, Overseers and Directors), although the leadership of CI & GOC are definitely considered responsible for their specific factions in terms of RP. So I agree with the premise of allowing the leadership of these RP groups which have fridges, to be able to view access logs for those fridges for the express purpose of ensuring that those fridges are used properly.
I recall back when E-11 were trying to get our HCZ fridges, we had to basically beg for them (It was mostly Crumpet doing the heavy lifting there) - And it doesn't particularly make sense to me that these fridges (Which take a lot of effort to get hold of, and time and consideration on the part of SSL as to whether we should have these fixtures, and then for the act of actually emplacing them) that the proper moderation of these fridges is so heavily frustrated. We're
not asking to be allowed to directly administer the punishment for chem theft here - That's a staff matter. I'm saying that we should have better tools to
identify chem theft. I don't think opening up seeing chem logs to more people is that much of a stretch.
I also feel that regimental fridges have a degree of distrust towards them because they are so tricky to moderate (And because they are more unsecure as a result) - Thus I perceive an aversion (even if slight) to actively contributing and engaging with the kind of chem interactions that would encourage growth and exchange within the groups surrounding each chem fridge. This one I think is a bit of a stretch, but is worth bringing up because for example, the public fridges (the chem labs fridges in F) are basically the wild west - You're not moderating those and no-one would trust keeping something even remotely valuable in there for any length of time. You put anything in those fridges, you're basically just donating it to the community. I think there's a very, very diminished version of that, in all of the communally gated fridges (the regimental & department fridges) and I think it would be worthwhile to mitigate it even if a little.
Anyway - In addition to helping increase identification of theft by virtue of increased access to logs, this may also help reduce the amount of time required from staff to deal with this issue when it crops up, because it can put more of the onus of finding the theft on the people actually responsible for the fridge itself, which means that the staff, instead of having to put effort into determining the theft
and potentially verifying & actioning it, more often than not, will just have to verify & action the theft. This frees up staff time.
In conclusion, I don't see a reason not to investigate the feasibility of expanding log access to the regular players primarily responsible for maintaining the chem fridges.
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