Denied Advanced Armoury Coded CL3 Doors

[Zen]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Replace AA door keypads with CL3 coded ones, with the code being provided to anyone that is allowed to use AA, e.g. E-11 with AA license. Alternatively, or additionally, the regimental keypad clearance from MRP should be used, with the keypads being CL3 for E-11 and Nu-7, but CL4 override.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Changes to AA have been suggested in the past, but I don't believe this has. It's also hard to find out if it has or not, because the forums search won't let you search for "AA".

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
- People can actually get AA when authorised without having to wait ten years for a CL4 to arrive (AA is never manned)
- Allows that whilst still preventing any random person from entering that isn't authorised. Only trusted people can get the code.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- Easier to hack the door, I believe
- Potentially reduces the barrier to entry, so there may be more abuse
- If code is leaked, the code would have to be reset and re-issued.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
It would make getting AA much less painful, as right now even when AA is authorised (rare), you still can't get in because no CL4 ever mans the doors. This is especially the case with the LHCZ armoury. It would also mean that AA can be accessed when authorised even when there are no CL4s e.g. in HCZ, so e.g. if no E-11 COs on, E-11 can still access it without going all the way to SS.

EDIT: Added additional possibility of MRP's regimental clearance levels.

 

[Zen]

Also, like I have said, I have previously and will continue to door fault the LHCZ AA door during breaches when authorised and there's no E-11 COs on. No CL4 can or will man that, and E-11 being entirely unable to access AA during a breach so bad it actually gets authorised is a bigger problem both IC and OOC than the potential for a minge to get a matador.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

Also, like I have said, I have previously and will continue to door fault the LHCZ AA door during breaches when authorised and there's no E-11 COs on. No CL4 can or will man that, and E-11 being entirely unable to access AA during a breach so bad it actually gets authorised is a bigger problem both IC and OOC than the potential for a minge to get a matador.

also i'm pretty sure like 1 in every 3 CL4s (outside of E-11) don't even know where LHCZ AA even is

 

[Mark Belgrum (Dutch)]

-Support
Just no.

 

['Blunder']

chat, if every minge decided to start serially exploiting every easily mingy thing they could reasonably access without fear of retribution, why don't we get more 035s that go possess O5 and then hit the nuke like, every hour?

Have you ever played 035?

 

[checkraisefold]

-support
world LEADING bad idea when the evading blacklisted players come on alts with their code their buddy in e11 leaked and immediately get like 5 matadors auger miniguns nitroglycerin and mrdm the entire server in 2 clicks

 

[Mars]

chat, if every minge decided to start serially exploiting every easily mingy thing they could reasonably access without fear of retribution, why don't we get more 035s that go possess O5 and then hit the nuke like, every hour?

because thats to advanced for them

 

[Saphira Harlow]

NO.

I agree

 

[Zen]

As it is all they need to do is a CL5 hack to get in but y'all are acting like it's completely impossible and that I'm asking for it to be replaced by a child gate.

 

['Blunder']

As it is all they need to do is a CL5 hack to get in but y'all are acting like it's completely impossible and that I'm asking for it to be replaced by a child gate.

Hacking takes time and can be easily called out while opening the door with a code can be done in seconds

 

[Emilia Foddg]

Have you ever played 035?

yes. i've heard of this happening before and the person responsible got handed an MRDM ban. the pipeline is somewhat simple. when breached without host, just go up secondary, go up to FL3 and grab the O5

because thats to advanced for them

it's roughly equivalent.

 

[Zen]

I feel like a pretty good solution to the overall argument is: can anyone name a single CL4 that can and should man LHCZ AA?

 

[Skinner]

-support

i'm too tired to write minus support lore

Spoiler: Minus Support Lore

The date is ██/██/████, a site wide SCP containment breach is occurring on Site-██. SCP-173, SCP-███, and SCP-7722 have all broken free of containment. The ███ onsite General Security Personnel has taken ██ casualties and are in need of MTF assistance from MTF E-11 "Nine Tails Fox." Advanced Armory has been authed for MTF E-11 "Nine Tails Fox" and they are currently approaching the onsite armory.

MTF E-11 CPL "Cope" : MAJ, what's the code so I can open the CL3 door?

MTF E-11 MAJ "Lions" : Here, let me come pu-

A random General Security Cadet emerges from his bunks with a illegally acquired CL3 card, runs up to the AA keypad, put in the code, and grabs every piece of AA and then lugs it into an elevator.

MTF E-11 SGT "Lazy" : Wtf, did that GSD Cadet with a CL3 just take all the AA?

MTF E-11 MAJ "Lions" : It appears so.

MTF E-11 forces responding to the breach were wiped out due to the fact that they had severely limited if any access to Advanced Armory. Reinforcements to the site accompanied by MTF Nu-7 "Hammer Down" were able to put the situation under control so that containment could be restored and all D-Class personnel below the classification of II are to be terminated and the remaining D-Class are to be escorted to the entrance zone of the site and wait for the site to be stabilized.

this basically explains it for me
- support

 

[Emilia Foddg]

I feel like a pretty good solution to the overall argument is: can anyone name a single CL4 that can and should man LHCZ AA?

new d-class work program - they get a CL4 keycard and are stationed at LHCZ AA, w/ IA escort (specifically IA because all the combatives are busy)

 

[Second]

The only reason I could see this being beneficial is for Nu-7 and E-11 COs who wanna get AA on a different job (i.e Breacher/Autorifleman) but can't cause not CL4, but even then they are already in the process of making COs spawn with a CL4 on all whitelists currently, so this is a minor inconvenience at best.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

they are already in the process of making COs spawn with a CL4 on all whitelists

COs will be able to spawn with a CL4 on all whitelists? can't wait to see my regiment leaders flag on 096 and run around with a CL4

 

[Second]

COs will be able to spawn with a CL4 on all whitelists? can't wait to see my regiment leaders flag on 096 and run around with a CL4

I mean on their regiment whitelists bruh

 

[Kevin Ki]

chat, if every minge decided to start serially exploiting every easily mingy thing they could reasonably access without fear of retribution, why don't we get more 035s that go possess O5 and then hit the nuke like, every hour?

Because minges aren't gonna wait 3 hours to do that when they can use Tech Expert or GSD, and I've seen every branch have someone go ballistic. Need we remember Crow?

-Support
Make ambassadors open it.

 

[Pupper]

-Support
Not needed

 

[Edwin]

Suggestion Denied

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Hi @Zen ,

Thanks for taking the time to make a server suggestion.
The Content Team has chosen to deny your suggestion due to the following reasons.

A coded CL3 door to AA could cause abuse by people who either know the code or the code has been leaked to them. A code for that number of people would also be quite difficult to manage.

Your suggestion will now be locked and marked as denied.​