Rule Suggestion Ban Generative Content from the server

[BanishedDemoness]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
This suggestion bans all generative AI content from use in game ie text and images. This does not ban things such as spell checkers as those do not use generative content
Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
I do not belive so.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
As an RP server we should be pushing for creativity and high quality content from the player base. AI stands antithetical to that. It creates slop and involves no player effort. Both on the UK and US AI slop has been an rampant issue, depreciating both the role-playing from players and wasting the time of those who have to review the content. Its plagiarism as well, the content is stolen work, not licensed in any sort of way. If we want to promote high quality rp AI cannot be allowed.
Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
There is no way in which generative content is good for the server, it just makes low effort slop.
There may be an argument that this should be an IC thing, but I disagree. It should not be accepted to post slop and just if caught have IC punishment, it affect server health and should be thus dealt with ooc.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
I think it would be absurd to continue to allow generative content on the server. I think it's important to value the effort players make. I think as a server we should not allow plagiarized work. I think we should not allow Department leadership to be plagued and their time wasted with slop. I don't think players who don't care to put in effort should be rewarded for their use of generative AI.

 

[Bacon Flapjack]

+ Support

Screw IA

 

[Kevin Ki]

This does not ban things such as spell checkers as those do not use generative content
Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
I do not belive so.

Should have used one.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
As an RP server we should be pushing for creativity and high quality content from the player base. AI stands antithetical to that. It creates slop and involves no player effort. Both on the UK and US AI slop has been an rampant issue, depreciating both the role-playing from players and wasting the time of those who have to review the content. Its plagiarism as well, the content is stolen work, not licensed in any sort of way. If we want to promote high quality rp AI cannot be allowed.

Honestly. I've not seen it. People love to jump at the AI boogieman but 90% of the time it's just that, a boogieman that's not really there. When it is, it's normally one of the many (on US side) essay writing blockades to do anything on research or sometimes ISD. Most people don't want to get on the server, write a 5 page essay, just to get maybe 3 minutes of RP with a SCP. If it even gets approved. This kind of "Tell me don't show me RP" attitude people have gained has lead to the RP becoming a step by step railroaded RP senerio sometimes hosted by a GM most of the time, rather than a "Anything can happen, let's find out then document it" RP that GMod most actively provides. People using AI seems to be a solution to this problem rather than a harm to any meaningful or 'quality' RP.

As for the "plagiarism" you point out, this hardly meets the criteria, as a AI is not a person, neither do the words used match exactly to a actual person is most regards, and is not used in a actual academic situation. Just as I would not expect a alchemist in DND to have a doctorate in Chemistry, I would not expect a virtual researcher or the like to have a hand written peer approved document. While those are nice and should be rewarded (and often are, it's why SCPnet uploads exist.) I do not set them as the standard, so long as RP is attempted.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
There is no way in which generative content is good for the server, it just makes low effort slop.
There may be an argument that this should be an IC thing, but I disagree. It should not be accepted to post slop and just if caught have IC punishment, it affect server health and should be thus dealt with ooc.

This does not properly provide a negative to your suggestion and seems to just be a continuation to your previously clearly expressed dislike of AI content, and if anything shows even more to your almost unhealthy obsession and hate that I have yet to see proper reason to. It seems to me, that you have found some content on the server that you have somehow decided is AI, and become upset that it was more accepted than something of your own if I may be so bold as to assume.

You also demand out of character and seem to be self reporting of in character punishments for a action that is nearly impossible to prove was taken. AI text detectors are proven to be very faulty to provide false positives, especially when something is put through a spelling checker.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
I think it would be absurd to continue to allow generative content on the server. I think it's important to value the effort players make. I think as a server we should not allow plagiarized work. I think we should not allow Department leadership to be plagued and their time wasted with slop. I don't think players who don't care to put in effort should be rewarded for their use of generative AI.

I think you should go on a walk outside.

 

[Zen]

I saw it a couple of times in some posters, so it does happen. Haven't seen it in a while, though. +Support, it looks shit and I fundamentally disagree with the use of most generative AI - most of it is shit and/or only works because they stole content and abused existing services to create it.

 

[Holy Doggo(Bruno Leopold)]

AI shouldn't be welcomed in a community with so many creatives working hard for everything they do from writing to images, we can do better

 

[Doug 'TrippleD']

This would be impossible to enforce and a nightmare to decide on. AI checkers are almost always super wrong and imo this is just a stupid idea. If people want to use AI they can, and if departments want to enforce not having AI? Sure, thats fine.

But if someone gets banned or warned for "uncreative" or "use of AI", thats just stupid.

 

[World]

-Support

 

[Dusk]

There is a clear difference between abuse and use. Those who abuse AI do not necessarily know how it works. Those who use it as a supplement for their otherwise creative process and learning in fields of which they would not otherwise be exposed, fall into a different category.

The impact that AI takes away from already creative people is, to me, inflated. The ability for AI to generate an image does not equate to the effort and intention being behind it. To get anything of value from AI requires skill, effort, and an ability to refine. Those who lack such skills are the first to stand out. But others also exist with innate talent, yet a well documented track record of learning, applying themselves day by day to make growth visible over time. No one just pushes a button, or a handful of buttons and gets a Picasso, not when there's a similar process and effort and intention required.

 

[Broda]

This entire suggestion seemingly comes from your own moral POV.

I get AI isn't welcomed by everyone yet and that SCP is a highly creative endeavour, however, there are those like myself who don't have the artistic capability to draw/paint things we want to have done. I'd ask you this, what would your alternative be for that?

The writing aspect of AI usage I do understand to a degree, but more so my issue sits with prevention of AI Imagery.

 

[Yeke]

Hi

I appreciate your concern for the creative spirit and the fact AI is not liked a lot, however I do have to ask;

1. How do you expect staff to even enforce this in all areas
2. For departments wanting artwork, unfortunatly there are lots of people who will only do things for their department, so if a department has no creatives, how do you want that department to go forward?

A key thing to note at least on the image front, is that Staff SHOULD be checking the quality of the images they are sticking up on decals and ensuring it; A. Looks good, B. Isn't full of spelling issues if there's text and C. Fits the theme

However I am not as ignorant to say that things dont slip through the cracks, and if I see them when im on, I usually remove them or contact the maker and ask them to fix it.

Edit: Furthermore, one has to ask, who is to say that the use of generative AI isn't creative, as the creation of the idea alone is the use of a creative function, just minus the skill to make it a reality, I do have to throw that little ethical ball out there per the meaning of the word "Creativity"

creativity
noun

the use of imagination or original ideas to create something; inventiveness.

Kind Regards
Yeke

 

[BanishedDemoness]

This entire suggestion seemingly comes from your own moral POV.

I get AI isn't welcomed by everyone yet and that SCP is a highly creative endeavour, however, there are those like myself who don't have the artistic capability to draw/paint things we want to have done. I'd ask you this, what would your alternative be for that?

The writing aspect of AI usage I do understand to a degree, but more so my issue sits with prevention of AI Imagery.



I do expect better from you Goober

My alternative to that is ask around. There are amazing artists in this community or find existing art work. Also you have no necessity to include artwork in anything you make. And as for is this a moral issue? Not primary, my issue stems from the level of slop I and other have encountered. I know there have been instances of posters generated using not just stolen art work but artwork stolen from creators in this server.

 

[Naffen]

My alternative to that is ask around. There are amazing artists in this community or find existing art work. Also you have no necessity to include artwork in anything you make. And as for is this a moral issue? Not primary, my issue stems from the level of slop I and other have encountered. I know there have been instances of posters generated using not just stolen art work but artwork stolen from creators in this server.

Could you send examples of this "slop AI work" that is running "rampant" and "dimenishes RP Quality" on both UK and US to my discord please
Discord tag is: naffen

 

[Phill]

-support.

I have not seen any of the 'slop' that is described in this suggestion.

I have not experienced any diminished RP quality due to the usage of AI.

I do not believe that there is a reasonable way to enforce this regulation that will not invariably result in innocent people being punished.

I do not agree with the moral qualms that are being presented in this suggestion.

Therefore, I do not believe that this is a needed or a good choice to make for a new rule.