/cctv

[Dr. Rocky]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Adds a /CCTV command that puts a highlighted message in chat or a separate box. The message will display the camera location and a message that somebody is checking it. Then the person involved will respond with exactly what happened from the camera's perspective. For example, if a tech expert steals a donut from the cafeteria, and an ISD could go "/CCTV Cafeteria" then the tech expert would say something like "At 10:30 a person in a tech expert uniform walks in and takes a donut from the box" Information must be accurate and the CCTV camera must be present in the map, and if for example the camera only captures the door the tech expert could say something like "A tech expert walks through the door"

This command should only be available in a CCTV room.

If somebody is "minging" but is cooperating with cctv commands it should be taken as proof that they are willing to RP

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
idk

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
ia doesn't just ask for a clip and then refuse to do any investigation
Everybody is held to a higher standard.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
People could lie


Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
I dont really see a downside, other than people lying, and if that is happening that problem isn't the cameras


Edit: Thinking about this more I dont think people would use this as much as I originally thought and could probably be added with a rule.

 

[Merrick Travolta]

This suggestion is... Well a suggestion of all time.

-Support for the following.

- Your positives aren't relating to your suggestion in the slightest.
- If everybody is held to a higher standard, why is your negative that someone could lie therefore neglecting the whole reason this system could exist.
- I'm not clear on what this system is exactly? someone performs the /cctv and puts in a highlighted message. but then the person involved checks it? What is the point of the command at that point?

I think you're describing the scenario that someone can use the /cctv command to describe a situation ISD would see on camera, but this accounts that the player giving the description provides accurate detail, honest detail and enough for the ISD to issue FLC/Arrest charges accurate to what is given. What is to prevent someone just refuting that this is what exists, grounds for FailRP possibly but it then becomes a strain of making sure you have everything clipped 24/7 to validate it, Which then defeats the purpose of this command to begin with.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you've had an incident where you can't record your game but ISD refused to investigate a scenario due to lack of bodycam. If you believe you've been wronged by them and it's unjust you have other roleplay oppertunities you can put forward, You could speak to their superior, Try to bait the offending party into confessing. Not... This.

 

[Dr. Rocky]

This suggestion is... Well a suggestion of all time.

-Support for the following.

- Your positives aren't relating to your suggestion in the slightest.
- If everybody is held to a higher standard, why is your negative that someone could lie therefore neglecting the whole reason this system could exist.
- I'm not clear on what this system is exactly? someone performs the /cctv and puts in a highlighted message. but then the person involved checks it? What is the point of the command at that point?

I think you're describing the scenario that someone can use the /cctv command to describe a situation ISD would see on camera, but this accounts that the player giving the description provides accurate detail, honest detail and enough for the ISD to issue FLC/Arrest charges accurate to what is given. What is to prevent someone just refuting that this is what exists, grounds for FailRP possibly but it then becomes a strain of making sure you have everything clipped 24/7 to validate it, Which then defeats the purpose of this command to begin with.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you've had an incident where you can't record your game but ISD refused to investigate a scenario due to lack of bodycam. If you believe you've been wronged by them and it's unjust you have other roleplay oppertunities you can put forward, You could speak to their superior, Try to bait the offending party into confessing. Not... This.

I understand where you are coming from but, I don't think you understand the suggestion, and I apologize if that's the case. The person accused responds, The point is to remove the reliance on clips, and if somebody were to lie about something like this I doubt they are willing to RP in the first place. And if people are arguing ooc about what really happened then just don't use it. It's not some great necessity it's just another tool.

"I'm going to go out on a limb and say you've had an incident where you can't record your game but ISD refused to investigate a scenario due to lack of bodycam."

This is incorrect. This is also a feature in a lot of other RP servers, and it is an attempt to move away from ISD acting like sudo admins who seem to hate RP by forcing them to be expected to do some level of investigation.

 

[Doug 'TrippleD']

Seems like an excessive amount of work for something thats incredibly easy to do by just using bodycam albeit slightly less. Also this will 100% be abused and could be very buggy.

-Support

 

[Emilia Foddg]

...In... Tereeestiiiing... ? This seems... Really weird. I get that you want to create RP here, but this setup feels... Extremely clunky? I'm trying to wrap my head around it properly, but I can't really see this working out as you intend.

Adds a /CCTV command that puts a highlighted message in chat or a separate box. The message will display the camera location and a message that somebody is checking it. Then the person involved will respond with exactly what happened from the camera's perspective. For example, if a tech expert steals a donut from the cafeteria, and an ISD could go "/CCTV Cafeteria" then the tech expert would say something like "At 10:30 a person in a tech expert uniform walks in and takes a donut from the box" Information must be accurate and the CCTV camera must be present in the map, and if for example the camera only captures the door the tech expert could say something like "A tech expert walks through the door"

It's a really interesting premise IMO. But unfortunately, I think you greatly overestimate the playerbase's willingness to participate in this kind of situation.

Implementation-wise, this would need... I can't even begin to fathom how you'd approach this. Even without any knowledge of GLua, I can't reasonably see... I guess, area-based commands? And connect that to specific areas of the map? And blanket address people in that area? ...With feedback? I can see a more flexible and more configurable version of this kind of system being somewhat useful for events? But as an actual fixture that expects engagement with for RP, and

If somebody is "minging" but is cooperating with cctv commands it should be taken as proof that they are willing to RP

..All for the purpose of clarifying intent to RP?

I'm so torn. I'm so unbelievably torn. Like, the premise is great, but I really don't see it being worth the effort to implement, I'm afraid.

It'd be another thing if it was for some kind of GM tool like I said, where these kinds of areas could be defined by GMs and then interacted with by players to sort of create temporary 'CCTV' or similar kinds of areas, like a 'viewing room into a test chamber' type kinda setup, or similar, for a dupe. But this kinda dissipates when you realise this can kinda already be done with comms.

I'm really trying, but I'm seeing no substance here. I'm sorry.

I don't see a compelling reason to pursue this.
-Support

This is also a feature in a lot of other RP servers, and it is an attempt to move away from ISD acting like sudo admins who seem to hate RP by forcing them to be expected to do some level of investigation.

I feel like this is just NITRP on ISD's part. Like if you bring something to ISD and they just basically say 'no lmao,' that's not... That's just NITRP/FailRP, surely?