Accepted Civilian prop whitelist

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Tiffany Stoop

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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:

This suggestion adds a whitelist for civilian jobs (those I mean are: Civilian, Doctor, Press and the new police jobs. NOT PC and ER) to be able to use a physgun and props for roleplay purposes.

Has something similar been suggested before?:

There has been 1 suggestion similar to this a year ago, but that was only limited to the Civilian job, didn't allow a physgun and didn't require a whitelist.

Possible positives of the suggestion:

1. It allows the press and doctors to have an RP home which helps improve and immerse in the RP. As the press could set up an actual news office and the doctor could have a hospital.
2. It allows other civilians to have an RP home to live in the town. This helps with the new addition of the mayor and police, as civilians have a reason to go to town and stay there instead of constantly scavenging for stuff.
3. It allows more jobs for civilians. As civilians could set things up like a restaurant, offices or other types of businesses.
4. If the police jobs were to be included then they could build a police department and jail, as one (that is furnished) is currently missing in the town.

Possible negatives of the suggestion:

The only negatives possible are related to propblocking and unrealistic buildings/DarkRP bases.

Based on the positives & negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:

To put it simply, it allows for more RP possibilities and supports RP for civilians. Giving civilians the possibility of setting up their own buildings allows for better RP interactions, as they can use props instead of having to use imaginary items.

The negatives of this suggestion can be easily solved by having it as a whitelist, like with the mayor. As if a player abuses with props, they can be removed from the whitelist.

I suggest that, if this would be added, that it would be limited to Town and the location where the Civilian supply depot is located. So players will only be allowed to build there, unless given permission by a staff member to build elsewhere if they deem it reasonable. As for a prop limit, I suggest limiting it to 30 or 40 props (or the same to the Mayor's prop limit, I don't know what the limit is). That should be plenty to furnish a building, as all buildings are pretty small.
And of course, the golden and silver civilian rules apply to and work with this suggestion.
 
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Can be so easily abused, especially during wars. There's no need for a Civilian to spawn props. this is a MilitaryRP server; not DarkRP, we don't want bases around the map that prevent people from building FOBs and that get in the way during war/pre-war.

We have Gamemasters for a reason; if you wish to setup RP situations that involve props, you should apply for GM as they not only have that ability but many more to create exciting RP scenarios and events throughout the server.
 

Tiffany Stoop

Civil Gamers Expert
Jan 6, 2021
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- Support

Can be so easily abused, especially during wars. There's no need for a Civilian to spawn props. this is a MilitaryRP server; not DarkRP, we don't want bases around the map that prevent people from building FOBs and that get in the way during war/pre-war.

We have Gamemasters for a reason; if you wish to setup RP situations that involve props, you should apply for GM as they not only have that ability but many more to create exciting RP scenarios and events throughout the server.
I feel like you're missing the points I made in this suggestion.

- As first of all, having it be a whitelist already makes it easier to combat propblocking and stuff, as staff could easily take you off the whitelist when abuse happens.
- Second, even if abuse happens, in a nutshell it would be a simple "Screenshot and report". Considering the rules should be strict around this whitelist, the rule breaker will have their access removed in an instant.
- Third, people would be more serious with their prop usage, because people have to be whitelisted to have access to props. Considering people who apply for this want to build stuff for RP, it would seem illogical for them to just use it to abuse with, so I personally don't see the problem in that.
- Fourth, the golden and silver civilian rules apply to this, meaning that you can only use it in peacetime to create RP and that it cannot disrupt NATO or NWO. So the breaching of these rules would cause the rule breaker to be removed from the whitelist.
- Fifth, building would be limited to just the Town and Civilian spawn (where the civilian depot is located) as I said in the suggestion. I have recently not seen anyone place an FOB near Town, as there is no point in having it there as it's not a territory. Even if there is one placed in Town, that doesn't stop either side from bypassing it to move to Church or Lumber Yard.
- Sixth, it wouldn't make sense in my opinion to have to apply for GM to just be able to RP as a civilian job. The requirements are more focused on small and large events rather than RP scenario's. From my experience with GM's, they don't do many small RP scenario's like operating a hospital. The stuff I have seen GM's do are things like "2v2 shotguns only" or "2v2 boxing".

And final, a question regarding "There's no need for a Civilian to spawn props. this is a MilitaryRP server; not DarkRP". I don't understand this point as, from the way I read it, it sounds like you say that having civilians be able to spawn props makes the server into a DarkRP server, which doesn't make sense in my eyes. As how and why would it do that?
 
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