Network Leadership required Create an Event Server to be used for Major Events.

[Ronin]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
This suggestion calls for the adding of an event server. It would have player cap set around 40 - 80 and could only be used with Event Team Leadership Permission ( for the server they are on ). This server could be duel use as both a Content Team Testing Server & An Event Server Split between SCP-RP UK & SCP-RP US so that we could get the most use out of it for the cost of it. The Server would have all SCP-RP Addons on it and maybe a few extra ones that would be done by decision of the Lead of the Event.

Additionally, There could be a new ULX Rank Given to GMs on that server only that would allow them nearly unrestricted access to the means to do events.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
I have suggested this server to NL Members in private but I figured it would be best to make an Official Suggestion so it can be given some more time of day.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
This would help solve a few issues which currently plague SCP-RP Events;

1. It would cause the server to experience less lag during events which would raise player retention as Lag has been a significant cause of Players Leaving the Server.

2. It would allow for GMs to create more fun and engaging scenarios which would draw more players to join the server looking to join said scenarios. I have seen it that newer players stay around if something cool happens to them at the start that hooks them. I believe this would raise the player count overtime.

3. Regiments would feel like they are actually within SCP. This server is too focused around our one area for anyone to experience real meaningful RP. I feel that an event server would help with this.

4. The Events could cause a lot of people to join Civil networks in order to Experience events. It would take a single Youtube Video with around 100k views with some cool Gameplay shown of our events to get the server popping off, in my opinion.

5. GMs could be given Unrestricted Access to pac3 without he fear of them abusing it. The Major Events done on the server would be so high profile that anyone who did attempt to use pac3 to kill people as an example would be banned before it did any real damage.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
I will address some of the arguments against this which could be raised here;

- " It would lower our ranking on the Game Tracker "

I would first like to say that people join the server mostly not off the Game tracker but even if it were the case that the game tracker draws in a significant player count, We are the biggest English Speaking SCP Roleplay Server, The only runners up are French, Russian & Chinese. I firmly believe we hold a pretty big hegemony over English Speaking SCP Roleplay in not just Content, But Roleplay and Events.



- " Player base would be lowered during event times getting less people to join "

While the possibility is there, I feel that if the event server was used sparingly and for specific regiments instead of the entire server it would have a negatable impact compared to the good impact that is done by increasing the quality of our events.

- " This could create a barrier of entry for newer players to see the roleplay that is done on the event server, therefore giving the illusion that the server is not as fun as it would be with all the events done on the main servers. "

Events would still be done and primarily done on Site-65 by Trial-GMs & Regular GMs but an Event Server would allow players to enjoy better quality RP & Dupes without creating as much as it would if done on Site-65. Additionally, Strict use of the Event Server would assist in this not being an issue.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
I understand that content team will likely not be the ones in charge of accepting or denying this suggestion so I will address a small bit here to Network Leadership as well as Ventz.

The State of the Gamemaster & Event Team on SCP-RP is that we are restricted in what we can do. This Server that I propose would allow us to fully unleash our creativity in events and create a fun and more importantly 'lag free' experience for the rest of the server. I think that the money that would be sunk into this Event Server could be gotten back fairly easily by just giving it multiple roles as a Dev Server, As a Content Team Testing Server or As an Event Server. Additionally, The money gained from players who decide to stay due to these High Quality Events and Less Lag on the Server would more than make a significant mark-up on the cash invested into it.


Outside of that, If you would want so that you could prove what we would do with the server - I would recommend to ask any Gamemaster Past or Present what they could do with a Server Like that. Trust me, I have a lot of Ideas that could be brought to life by this server and I think many many more GMs would love the opportunity to be fully Free.

Have a great day and please consider this proposal.

 

[Ronin]

Any other ideas, arguments or opinions about this would be lovely.

 

[Broda]

I am in complete support of this.

I understand stats etc, but server appeal wise this will massively enhance the quality of roleplay being provided to the player base. Perhaps rules can be set and limitations on number of players at any one time.

This would genuinely set Civil Networks SCP a mile ahead of the competition, including Site-9 being dropped in on SCP RP you'd run the genre for years more.

 

[Zack Baker]

+Support
Sounds great

 

[cityismy]

SCP RP short stories when??

 

[Reiner Zephyran]

+Support
An Event Server for Major Events sounds pretty good, allows for a more enjoyable experience for everyone.
Those who want to participate get less lag during the event since its only them and those who dont participate wont have to deal with any extra lag.
I dont see any negative aspects of this, good suggestion

 

[Starling6]

3 millionth suggestion for a event server
+ soup

 

[elad]

Hello, retired cn player and occasjonal lurker here. Leaving my 2 cents.

This is exactly what CN needs, as far as ai can remember CN has struggled with events due to various reasons, and this fixes the lot of them.

I've previously been part of a comparatively similar semiserious community (player, gm and staff) albeit an imperial role server- that had a separate event server.

This allowed GMs to spend time building insane settings without impacting the performance of the server.
It also meant that players that don't want to partake, don't have to.

But most importantly, it helped bring the events to life.
As we were on a Star Destroyer, everyone there was an event, the preperation for the event would begin hours before. Am event character would arrive about an hour before to give a briefing the the senior officers about the operation, ( this provided rp for the factions that handled external affairs/arriving staff, and built excitement about the arrival of an intelligence officer ). Then, senior officers would draw up a battle plan and head to their respective bunks to brief their men and assign patrol groups and positions.
This also gives time for GMs to switch servers and set up the props.

Just before the event starts, An announcement is sent for all mission personnel to report to the main hanger bay (in our case- garage), where everyone would line up and when the order was given would get into transports (on this server they had an entities that when you pressed e on it, would send you to the other server, which was otherwise passworded, and couldn't be joined through the browser).

This made missions feel very real and immersive, allowing gms creative expression, the ability to make more interesting events, and made the deployment mission the most populated time of the week.

Big +support. I would return if this is implemented, if it is supported by an effective gm team.

 

[Guts]

- " It would lower our ranking on the Game Tracker "

as someone thats never bothered with the game trakcer

whats the actual appeal of it, most people pay attention to the ingame server list anyway

 

[ionboy64]

HUGE + SUPPORT

MRP got given the event server not too long ago to set up their map changes and it was a massive positive. In terms of how SCP operates though, it would be much better for Gamemasters to create tailored events for regiments and could be given larger prop counts with other ULX allowing for much stronger world building.

 

[Niox]

Instead of just Major Events, why not Map Change Events to?
+Support

 

[Broda]

Commenting again because this is such a fork in the road for SCP RP

There have been routine problems cited frequently with DEA and Nu-7 running stagnant on content etc sometimes. Imagine this: You are SOP and get an event notification you are deploying to a town/city/wherever to go combat a well known SCP/GOI threat. The immediate world building you'd instil in to SOP players would be immense. Player retention would be at an all time high, your SOP activity issues I PROMISE YOU will fix itself almost instantly. This is just one aspect of how an event server would work in such a positive manner. Hell, people already stating they'd return if this materialised. You got to scale the service to meet the needs of the players and this is one hell of an opportunity to grow SCP RP.

 

[Kufie]

+/- support
I feel like this is a good idea, but at the same time I'd rather walk into an advent "accidentally" rather than know I'm going into an event. Something I stumble into with RP'ing. And keeping it on the main server allows for more player involvement. Yes it gets rid of minges (to a point.) but at the same time it makes it almost impossible for newer players to get into stuff like this. While I think for major events it would be a great idea, like stuff that later contributes to server RP, or stuff that affects both servers, allowing people from both UK and US to have a joint area they could all enjoy the event together instead of it being on only US or only Uk. Or happening at different times for both. It is easier to include everyone who wants to be included for big events on a separate server which would be amazing. I just see this as a good and bad thing. I think if something like this is accepted, it should be for major events that affects each server more than just "Hey! Temporary thing!" like the gameshow we had a GM do the other day on US. That was a good event but I wouldn't suggest it on a whole different server.

 

[Broda]

+/- support
I feel like this is a good idea, but at the same time I'd rather walk into an advent "accidentally" rather than know I'm going into an event. Something I stumble into with RP'ing. And keeping it on the main server allows for more player involvement. Yes it gets rid of minges (to a point.) but at the same time it makes it almost impossible for newer players to get into stuff like this. While I think for major events it would be a great idea, like stuff that later contributes to server RP, or stuff that affects both servers, allowing people from both UK and US to have a joint area they could all enjoy the event together instead of it being on only US or only Uk. Or happening at different times for both. It is easier to include everyone who wants to be included for big events on a separate server which would be amazing. I just see this as a good and bad thing. I think if something like this is accepted, it should be for major events that affects each server more than just "Hey! Temporary thing!" like the gameshow we had a GM do the other day on US. That was a good event but I wouldn't suggest it on a whole different server.

I think you've misunderstood this a lil

This would be for major events that would require a different map for a handful of players etc. This would not replace events normally and all build up would be done on the primary server. Just bigger, exciting and more creative ways to indulge in better RP experiences if this goes ahead

 

[Alex Bones]

This was brought up to Yeke back when I was SL and event team lead, it was very much denied. I've also spoken to ventz about this and I am quite sure that he didn't want it either.

Never the less +/- Support

 

[Chii]

I want this more than anything...

 

[Guts]

big events on main server = lag

lag = less players

less players = no money

event server = big events on event server

big events on event server = no lag on main server

no lag on main server = more players

more players = more money


tl;dr

More money = good

Hotel = Trivago

 

[Emilia Foddg]

Cheesy I love you, but this is a very clear-cut case of focusing on the in-depth details, yet somewhat missing the mechanically obvious. We are talking about potentially adding another server to the Network? Yes, I doubt it'd be up all the time, but the fact remains that... Based on what it seems like you've presented, this... Would be another server.

Which is even weirder now that I notice you directly raise it in the first section,

This server could be duel use as both a Content Team Testing Server & An Event Server Split between SCP-RP UK & SCP-RP US so that we could get the most use out of it for the cost of it.

But never anything about this, as a negative.

This would need to have significant use and appeal enough to the playerbase to justify its presence - And those things are incumbent on working out Major Events & Map Change Events from inception to completion, on a recurring basis enough to be like "Okay, this gets used enough and is valuable enough to justify it as part of the Network" - But in that situation, the GM team may have to go back to things like regularly scheduled Major Events and/or Map Change Events or similar, because to meet the demand necessary to keep this justified, there needs to be the supply. Which means constantly coming up with Major Events and/or Map Change Events to do. That sounds exhausting. And IMO, when I was a GM, GM reqs were already exhausting enough as is. I don't think you fully understand the consequences of trying to emplace something for which the demand may likely not be met.

I can't say anything about how things are now as I'm not part of the GM team anymore, but based on my experience from when I was, I can at least question that based on what I present here, you either:

• Can't meet the demand of regularly and continuously ideating the events necessary to justify the existence of an Event Server.
  
  
• Massively accelerate the rate of burnout from constant creative demand.

...Maybe if both the Event & GM teams were larger (Which IMO, they should be); But I acknowledge that carries its own set of issues like management, clashing and being able to keep those positions filled, etc. And I appreciate the whole dilemma where it's like, you need more Event Team Staff to be able to properly support a significantly sized GM team.

With that being said, I do like the prospect. There are lots of fun things that can be done here. But like NL, I am highly sceptical of its feasibly.
+/- Neutral
EDIT: +Support
Following subsequent discussion.

 

[Ronin]

Cheesy I love you, but this is a very clear-cut case of focusing on the in-depth details, yet somewhat missing the mechanically obvious. We are talking about potentially adding another server to the Network? Yes, I doubt it'd be up all the time, but the fact remains that... Based on what it seems like you've presented, this... Would be another server.

Which is even weirder now that I notice you directly raise it in the first section,

But never anything about this, as a negative.

This would need to have significant use and appeal enough to the playerbase to justify its presence - And those things are incumbent on working out Major Events & Map Change Events from inception to completion, on a recurring basis enough to be like "Okay, this gets used enough and is valuable enough to justify it as part of the Network" - But in that situation, the GM team may have to go back to things like regularly scheduled Major Events and/or Map Change Events or similar, because to meet the demand necessary to keep this justified, there needs to be the supply. Which means constantly coming up with Major Events and/or Map Change Events to do. That sounds exhausting. And IMO, when I was a GM, GM reqs were already exhausting enough as is. I don't think you fully understand the consequences of trying to emplace something for which the demand may likely not be met.

I can't say anything about how things are now as I'm not part of the GM team anymore, but based on my experience from when I was, I can at least question that based on what I present here, you either:

• Can't meet the demand of regularly and continuously ideating the events necessary to justify the existence of an Event Server.
  
  
• Massively accelerate the rate of burnout from constant creative demand.

...Maybe if both the Event & GM teams were larger; But that carries its own set of issues like management and being able to keep those positions filled, etc.

With that being said, I do like the prospect. There are lots of fun things that can be done here. But like NL, I am highly sceptical of its feasibly.
+/- Neutral

Hello! The Events that the Server Would be used for would be few and far between, The Map Change Events would be the exception and not the rule.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

Hello! The Events that the Server Would be used for would be few and far between, The Map Change Events would be the exception and not the rule.

...Yes.

I don't know specifically how it works, but even if you properly schedule these things ahead of time, my understanding is that NL can't just... Pay for the use of the hardware expressly on the occasions that they're being used, if they're going to be used basically randomly and haphazardly. I mean, that might be possible, I don't know.

It does make sense as a business model from a host standpoint to be like "Here's this server hardware you can rent out for whatever periods you want and then only pay for those periods," but my observation of how server providers have been thus far is that they are not particularly... I want to say something along the lines of 'not in touch,' 'ignorant' or 'incompetent', but that feels too aggressive/accusatory of something that's not necessarily their fault in this case - ...Closer to 'unaware' of this particular consumer need (That and it's also very niche)? That I would not put it past them for this to just be not reasonably arrangeable and the setups are more like a "You need to pay for renting the server hardware for these explicit blocks of time in a year," which means that without doing a whole bunch of events in that time period, you'd essentially be paying for a server that isn't being used.

One particular exception that sticks out to me is the Dev server? That's an example of something that we only spin up when it's needed, but I feel like there's something there that I'm unaware of, which NL is and they would reasonably be able to assert the relevance of how that works. And I imagine the Dev server is used more often than an Event server would be anyway.

Maybe I'm just wrong on this, idk. I'm open to the prospect.