Denied DEA Gun Change

[GMAN0289]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Change the Special Agent and Manager gun from the AS-Val to the Ghost R5

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
DEA Weapon changes have been suggested before

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
More balanced weapon for for surface and facility combat.
Better then the current weapon which was nerfed because it became a perma gun.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
Possibility of upsetting some balance.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Currently DEAs loadouts become lackluster after becoming a Special Agent due to being forced to use a perma gun which can not perform as well as weapons that are not perma guns. Overall this would be a positive change because it would alleviate frustration of the AS-Vals lack luster performance. It makes no sense why the Department Director should have such an powerful loadout while the officers are forced to use shit weapons. This also applies to many roles, but they are not relevant to this suggestion.

 

[Mayuri]

+ support
so true

 

[James V]

-support
AS Val is one of the best guns for surface - it makes complete sense the higher up in the Department you are the better equipment you have access too

 

[GMAN0289]

-support
AS Val is one of the best guns for surface - it makes complete sense the higher up in the Department you are the better equipment you have access too

This would be true if the loadout was not astronomically more overpowered then Special Agent. The AS Val just sucks plain and simple. Its the same issue GENSEC Captains have with their gun and Nu7 LTs have with theirs.

Also Counter to your point if Higher Ranks are supposed to have better guns then why dose Agent and Senior Agent have better guns then the higher ranks?

 

[Mozzie]

+support
Good luck, many have tried and failed

 

[Pear]

+support
the as val actually sucks now it used it be great then it became a perma.

 

[GMAN0289]

Balance this balance that this is a fucking roleplay server nobody gives a fuck who's gun I'd arbitrarily stronger than others, has absolutely no impact on the server so please shut your bitch ass up

Unfortunately DEA is a more combative department and normally PVPs with CI on surface (at least US). I would say it has a huge impact on server health considering when we are stuck in those PVP situations and come out losing it makes people hate the server and want to leave. This is not a "Serious RP Server". If this was Site 9 your point would be valid, but its not.

 

[Kevin Ki]

I disagree with the suggested weapon but agree the weapon should be changed. The AS Val is not viable for combat.

PS: People soying about combat balance suggestions make 0 sense as combat is a part of the server's core gameplay, if you want more RP suggestions quit bitchin and take the time to make a suggestion that actually tries to add what you're SO upset isn't being suggested. If you don't like that combat is involved in this server find a new one or wait for Site-9.

 

[Yoyo]

+support on the grounds that the as val one of the worst guns alongside the ERAD. as val is not good for combat, so for dea focusing on combat seems pretty silly

 

[Naffen]

Could you explain why the AS Val isn't good in your opinion, instead of saying it "just sucks"

 

[Driver]

The AS VAL is a bad weapon overall, the main stat that makes it really bad is the damage, comparing it to the weapons given to CI (Ghost R5, PKM, even the AEK that is given to the CI operative job is better than the AS VAL) and GOC (I don't even need to list them here but for reference they get a KBAR which many would say, myself included, is the most powerful weapon on the server). Yes, it barely has any spread and recoil but it almost doesn't matter because of the damage.
Now, if we compare the AS VAL to any other perma weapon, it underperforms. During my time as Special Agent and Manager I couldn't bring myself to use the AS VAL, but instead I went for the FN2000 which is a perma weapon that is very similar to the AS VAL but better in every stat, it has the same recoil, same spread and most importantly it deals more damage, making it the go-to surface weapon for me. Many other perma weapons are better than it, basically forcing DEA CL4s to buy a perma if they want to fight on surface.

 

[fyzar]

even the AEK that is given to the CI operative job is better than the AS VAL) .

AEK is objectively worse than the AS VAL

the AS VAL is good, whilst damage is on the low side it makes up for it with 0 recoil and high fire rate. To all those saying it isn't maybe get better at the game??

-support

 

[Driver]

interesting you say the gun has 0 recoil and get better at the game in the same sentence, I have been in both CI and DEA for 3 times, and I still stand by the point that the AEK has better stats than the AS VAL, fire rate is not the only stat that makes a gun good

 

[Welper]

As a special agent, -support, I've never had issues with the gun in my 1.5 years with the WL. While some CI guns are a tad bit OP, I personally don't think the appropriate action is to change our weapon, it's fairly good already.

 

[Jimmy Swan]

ASVAL is amazing, you're WRONG

 

[Sceptre]

the only good stat that the asval has is the lack of spread - it's a very accurate gun but this means you need to hit a full fucking mag to be able to kill someone

 

[Guts]

give it up for the dea gun change suggestion number (insert here)

 

[Dinklesprinkle]

Could you explain why the AS Val isn't good in your opinion, instead of saying it "just sucks"

this is probably just people wanting DEA buffs cause Nu-7 got one LMAO

 

[GMAN0289]

The main issue is damage output. Considering Hit Reg is the worst on surface even if you have a more accurate gun damage will always outperform accuracy some of the bullets fired wont actually register as hits.

 

[Driver]

this is probably just people wanting DEA buffs cause Nu-7 got one LMAO

Hi, we have been trying to get the AS VAL replaced since a long time ago, over 3 directors have already tried but every suggestion got denied.

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