Rule Suggestion decrease time Surface SCP can be held

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Troy 'Grapes' Ivanov

Troy 'Grapes' Ivanov

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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:<br>
6.01(b) - Surface SCPs may be captured for 30 minutes, and then they must be terminated. The player may leave the SCP job if left alone for more than 5 minutes.
changed to
6.01(b) - Surface SCPs may be captured for 15 minutes, and then they must be terminated. The player may leave the SCP job if left alone for more than 5 minutes.

<br><br>Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:<br>
no not to my knowledge

<br><br>Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):<br>
most of time 323 or 8845 will surface breach for like 20-10mins then get locked in cell for 30min whilst sitting idly been sampled AND not been allowed to leave job
a reduction to 15/10 minutes will still give which ever group get the SCP enough time to get good amount of samples, whilst not making SCP sit mindlessly for half an hour

<br><br>Possible Negatives of the suggestion:<br>
not enough time for real experiments (even though they are rarely done)


<br><br>Based on the Positives &amp; Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:<br>
it gives balance to surface SCP gameplay , CI/Foundation/GOC still have enough time to get alot of samples / test on 323 and 8845 whilst not making it boring for the SCPS
 
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I havent really played too much since the change, but since SCPs have a hard cap on how much they can be sampled in a certain amount of time, are surface SCPs really getting sampled for the full 30 minutes? Like cant they just milk all 6L or whatever and then get rid of you right away instead of passing you around town?

I know theres a rule where you cant be left alone for more than a few minutes so I'd recommend taking advantage of that, its a very frequently violated rule unfortunately since theres not much testing to be done on surface scps outside of events and neurocontroller/destruction
 
Im not 100% sure but I do not believe that limit applied to the surface SCPs
pinhead said:
I havent really played too much since the change, but since SCPs have a hard cap on how much they can be sampled in a certain amount of time, are surface SCPs really getting sampled for the full 30 minutes? Like cant they just milk all 6L or whatever and then get rid of you right away instead of passing you around town?

I know theres a rule where you cant be left alone for more than a few minutes so I'd recommend taking advantage of that, its a very frequently violated rule unfortunately since theres not much testing to be done on surface scps outside of events and neurocontroller/destruction
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Honestly, +support

Surface SCPs struggle with the amount of potent around and are then kept for the full 30 minutes and they are milked for EVERY last drop that the GOI can get. It's just not fun for 30 minutes.
 
+Support

Both SCPs have daunting flaws.

Let's start with SCP-8845. SCP-8845 has a horrendous hitbox issue where (upon ragdolling someone) he tends to struggle to flay them. I believe this is either caused by the bumpy terrain the surface has, or simply because the ragdoll is no longer where the hitbox is. No idea.

SCP-323's entire playstyle revolves around stalking. Once identified by anyone, though - it is HORRIBLY difficult to properly hide yourself once more given how utterly everyone is going to be spamming callouts about where you're currently situated. Damn.


And all of that to then be sampled utterly dry for 30 minutes straight. God.

I feel like if either SCP are however going to be exposed to roleplay / tests, they should both be allowed to consent to staying for longer!!
 
pinhead said:
I havent really played too much since the change, but since SCPs have a hard cap on how much they can be sampled in a certain amount of time, are surface SCPs really getting sampled for the full 30 minutes? Like cant they just milk all 6L or whatever and then get rid of you right away instead of passing you around town?

I know theres a rule where you cant be left alone for more than a few minutes so I'd recommend taking advantage of that, its a very frequently violated rule unfortunately since theres not much testing to be done on surface scps outside of events and neurocontroller/destruction
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well its mostly CI this is being directed to i think as UN usually just sample it dry or don't even sample and just ADB foundation is 50/50 on how long they keep them sometimes longer sometimes shorter but at least UK CI we keep them for the max 30m due to either

8854: reinjecting the calcium back into 8854 to get more samples/wait for more samples to regen since 50mls regens every 10s i think it was until 30m are up

323: just sample till empty then just wait for it to regen and sample until 30m are up
 
Rion said:
- Support

Though I get where you're coming from, I think the rarity of actually getting a surface SCP alive and the struggle of it should be rewarded. 30 minutes is not a massive amount of time especially considering surface SCPs do not have to wait in a que prior to "breaching"
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i understand your point a bit , my issue is those 30 minutes are just idle , i also think more people would be more likely to play surface scp with a decreased timer , also it very easy to get surface scp
 
Rion said:
- Support

Though I get where you're coming from, I think the rarity of actually getting a surface SCP alive and the struggle of it should be rewarded. 30 minutes is not a massive amount of time especially considering surface SCPs do not have to wait in a que prior to "breaching"
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Surf SCPs ain't rare though.

Neutral
I think it should instead be 20 minutes. I do believe 30 is a bit much.
 
Troy 'Grapes' Ivanov said:
What does this suggestion change/add/remove:<br>
6.01(b) - Surface SCPs may be captured for 30 minutes, and then they must be terminated. The player may leave the SCP job if left alone for more than 5 minutes.
changed to
6.01(b) - Surface SCPs may be captured for 15 minutes, and then they must be terminated. The player may leave the SCP job if left alone for more than 5 minutes.

<br><br>Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:<br>
no not to my knowledge

<br><br>Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):<br>
most of time 323 or 8845 will surface breach for like 20-10mins then get locked in cell for 30min whilst sitting idly been sampled AND not been allowed to leave job
a reduction to 15/10 minutes will still give which ever group get the SCP enough time to get good amount of samples, whilst not making SCP sit mindlessly for half an hour

<br><br>Possible Negatives of the suggestion:<br>
not enough time for real experiments (even though they are rarely done)


<br><br>Based on the Positives &amp; Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:<br>
it gives balance to surface SCP gameplay , CI/Foundation/GOC still have enough time to get alot of samples / test on 323 and 8845 whilst not making it boring for the SCPS
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If you nerf the time we can hold let us take 6l per sample then instead of waiting for the regen just do 6l then regen and then 15 mins is fair
 
Jeffrey 'kemikaali' said:
8854: reinjecting the calcium back into 8854 to get more samples/wait for more samples to regen since 50mls regens every 10s i think it was until 30m are up

323: just sample till empty then just wait for it to regen and sample until 30m are up
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okay this is aids, yeah def would be a good change then. NGL if I was being sampled for a full 30 minutes i would alt+f4
 
+/- Support

I think a bigger problem is factions selling the SCP to other factions. This is a bigger problem as they hold you for 30 minutes, and then they sell you, then they hold you for 30 minutes and you either get terminated or sold AGAIN.

Also, even if it is changed to 15 minutes, factions might sell it to each other causing it to go back to 30 minutes to even an hour. You may be asking "How an hour?" Well it's because MCND might capture you, then sell you to CI. Then CI sells to GOC, then GOC sells to Foundation.

While this is very uncommon, either way factions like GOC and Foundation on USA Server sell 8854/323 to each other sometimes which will already rack up the time to 30 minutes again. While better than an hour, it'll still be bad.
 
Evan said:
+/- Support

I think a bigger problem is factions selling the SCP to other factions. This is a bigger problem as they hold you for 30 minutes, and then they sell you, then they hold you for 30 minutes and you either get terminated or sold AGAIN.

Also, even if it is changed to 15 minutes, factions might sell it to each other causing it to go back to 30 minutes to even an hour. You may be asking "How an hour?" Well it's because MCND might capture you, then sell you to CI. Then CI sells to GOC, then GOC sells to Foundation.

While this is very uncommon, either way factions like GOC and Foundation on USA Server sell 8854/323 to each other sometimes which will already rack up the time to 30 minutes again. While better than an hour, it'll still be bad.
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Just heads up - its a MAX of 30 minutes regardless as you were still captured and being sold off. "6.01(b) - Surface SCPs may be captured for 30 minutes, and then they must be terminated. The player may leave the SCP job if left alone for more than 5 minutes."

After 30 minutes you are required to be terminated regardless. And if they leave you alone (No interaction) for 5 minutes you can just leave.

Anyways -support, I need my surface SCP samples
 
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