Content Suggestion Department of Research - CL3.5

[Alex Redmont]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:​

Give the Department of Research a “senior CL3” role, much like ISD/DEA have with Investigators and Senior Agents, that is a CL3 role which you can get an ingame whitelist for which does not need a forum application. This role would sit in-between Senior Researcher and Executive Researcher in the Chain of Command.
The only name I could really come up with was Specialist Researcher.
The new CoC would become:
Director of Research (CL4 forum application)
Executive Researcher (CL4 forum application)
Specialist Researcher (CL3.5 ingame whitelist)
Sr, CL2, Jr. (CL3,2,1 levels)

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:​

Not to my knowledge.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):​

• Gives a better ranking structure to RSD
• Lets RSD Command give certain people more responsibility and authority without instantly making them CL4

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:​

• Dev time
• Job bloat possibly

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:​

Currently, the Department of Research has quite a lot of very talented and trustworthy seniors who get grouped in with all the… less worthy seniors. Due to Sr. Researcher being the highest rank you can get in RSD without becoming a CL4, you end up getting every single player who isnt an Exec or DoR grouped up into a massive pool of seniors.
Letting RSD Command promote people internally to Specialist Researcher would signify that this person is trusted and allowed to do more. The exact procedures and extra permissions would be decided on by RSD Command, of course.

 

[Zen]

If it has anything extra to it like override access or whatever, then sure. If it's just a duplicate of Sr. Researcher with a different name, then that's even less helpful than a CL3 tech expert that has been suggested a million times and rejected - at least that would have a different clearance level. If it doesn't have any other changes it can be done IC and that'd be less restrictive, but if it has other changes then those should actually be listed in the suggestion.

 

[Vxnt]

If it has anything extra to it like override access or whatever, then sure. If it's just a duplicate of Sr. Researcher with a different name, then that's even less helpful than a CL3 tech expert that has been suggested a million times and rejected - at least that would have a different clearance level. If it doesn't have any other changes it can be done IC and that'd be less restrictive, but if it has other changes then those should actually be listed in the suggestion.

Can you please fucking reply to any suggestion without mentioning fucking E&TS oh my GOD bro

 

[Average member podidski]

Can you please fucking reply to any suggestion without mentioning fucking E&TS oh my GOD bro

Are you felling "E&TS Fatigue" right now?

 

[Emilia Foddg]

Can you please fucking reply to any suggestion without mentioning fucking E&TS oh my GOD bro

Oh no, it's okay, common mistake. Zen here is talking about the other department with Tech Experts, ET&S (Engineering, Technical & Services)

The confusion is understandable, though


Anyway, the whole discourse about the job itself IMO lends more towards what I said before about it being handled the same way that the Assistant slot increase.

 

[Abu Muhammad]

+support but how about cl 3.3

big green

 

[Hax]

+Support
It would be nice to take pressure of execs and give regular joes more shit to do, it takes alot of grovelling and footwork to get to some goals cl4s would find elementary.

 

[Niox]

+Support

ISD Investigator gets access to the Tranq Pistol, a bit of content they had to work up to

Giving this new RSD Job would do more than just an item no? RSD's "Content" is SCPs, and CL4 SCPs are rarely touched because of that. Opening the pool to normal players who don't play the server like a G-Job would open up far more possibilities for 1 job, than giving a guy a tranq gun.

Just having a role with zero additional content but solely based on permissions etc (Which echo that of an Executive?) is just not going to work the way you think it is

I feel as though the same can be said of Investigator in a different boat, in that its tranq gun simply mirrors the job one stage above it!

Anyways very good RSD suggestion, who's department feels like it's been under a pile of rubble for a year.

 

[Broda]

+Support


Giving this new RSD Job would do more than just an item no? RSD's "Content" is SCPs, and CL4 SCPs are rarely touched because of that. Opening the pool to normal players who don't play the server like a G-Job would open up far more possibilities for 1 job, than giving a guy a tranq gun.


I feel as though the same can be said of Investigator in a different boat, in that its tranq gun simply mirrors the job one stage above it!

Anyways very good RSD suggestion, who's department feels like it's been under a pile of rubble for a year.

You can easily become an Exec without treating it like a "G Job" and if that is the current climate of RSD CL4, then there needs to be a serious discussion around that.

 

[Alex Redmont]

You can easily become an Exec without treating it like a "G Job" and if that is the current climate of RSD CL4, then there needs to be a serious discussion around that.

A position inbetween Senior and Executive means we could give Seniors we trust a role that shows they're trusted, without making them CL4 / RSD Leadership. A position to show that they're an experienced member of the department without giving them the responsibilities of an Executive.

 

[Broda]

A position inbetween Senior and Executive means we could give Seniors we trust a role that shows they're trusted, without making them CL4 / RSD Leadership. A position to show that they're an experienced member of the department without giving them the responsibilities of an Executive.

So why would anyone apply for Executive going forward if you give them all the access of a CL4 but without the responsibility?

You may kill off your progression with that logic

 

[Tom Shifu]

+ Support

I think this would work very well with RSD. There are some permissions that strictly require Exec+, and when they aren't on the progress might feel a bit stuck. Some of the permissions that could work: (not saying they would be implemented, just ideas for the role)

1. Being able to authorise Junior Researcher Credit - Sometimes there just isn't Execs on, and it halts their progress heavily
2. Cross Testing Authorisation could be adjusted, letting the Specialists do cross-testing between more SCPs freely. (Probably up to CL1/2)
3. Being able to grant sampling requests for CL2, making CL3+ Exec to grant (or RCPT) - With proper documents still
4. Could be responsible for Junior Researcher On-Boarding, linking back to the 1st point (And if no Specialist+ is on, then Seniors can do it - Like they always could)

These are some general ideas that could be a good intro to Exec researcher without taking the full responsibilities, + most of the changes listed above are mostly trusting them with more permissions to expand their tests or even sampling, while still making Executive a valuable position due to its higher Clearance and ability to do cross tests and sampling easily.

I want to repeat this again, but these ideas above aren't discussed or set by RSD but just some things I would love to see myself as I do play RSD quite often atm

 

[Alex Redmont]

all the access of a CL4 but without the responsibility?

Because they wouldn't have all the access of a CL4.

I'd have to discuss this with the US RSD team, but even just a role that says "I am above Senior and do great work for RSD" is a good starting point while the actual permissions are being ironed out.

Out of curiosity, what non-content permissions / perks does ISD Investigator get over ISD Agents? I'm not familiar with ISD.

 

[Broda]

Because they wouldn't have all the access of a CL4.

I'd have to discuss this with the US RSD team, but even just a role that says "I am above Senior and do great work for RSD" is a good starting point while the actual permissions are being ironed out.

Out of curiosity, what non-content permissions / perks does ISD Investigator get over ISD Agents? I'm not familiar with ISD.

They get access to do Investigator only Operations
Additional disguise permissions
Can arrest CL4 if caught red handed (Don't be drug smuggling Mr Redmont)

That in conjunction with the Tranq gun and the SOONTM body investigation swep adds a nice stopgap before Inspector

I just want to reiterate, I'm not against RSD getting their own stopgap but it genuinely needs something unique to add to that appeal of climbing up through the department. It has served ISD and DEA, even GSD, very well so far

 

[Vxnt]

They get access to do Investigator only Operations
Additional disguise permissions
Can arrest CL4 if caught red handed (Don't be drug smuggling Mr Redmont)

That in conjunction with the Tranq gun and the SOONTM body investigation swep adds a nice stopgap before Inspector

I just want to reiterate, I'm not against RSD getting their own stopgap but it genuinely needs something unique to add to that appeal of climbing up through the department. It has served ISD and DEA, even GSD, very well so far

Broda does make a strong argument, it does need SOMETHING, there just isn't really content in the server that they can be given that makes sense?

Permissions are fine, but the difficulty is in separating them from Senior and from Exec.. Though the idea is awesome, the execution would be tricky.

 

[JoshBlondeau]

once again, +Support

What access does a sergeant get to server content, as that's a CL 3.5, none , but it is viewed as a trusted party of the department with interdepartmental responsibilities and interdepartmental rewards.

 

[Vxnt]

once again, +Support

What access does a sergeant get to server content, as that's a CL 3.5, none , but it is viewed as a trusted party of the department with interdepartmental responsibilities and interdepartmental rewards.

Going from Officer to Sergeant they gain:
>Clearance 3
>Different guns
>Both shield + flashbangs (unlike the differing loadouts of Officer)
and of course their extended trust and responsibilities.

 

[ripjaw567]

They get access to do Investigator only Operations
Additional disguise permissions
Can arrest CL4 if caught red handed (Don't be drug smuggling Mr Redmont)

That in conjunction with the Tranq gun and the SOONTM body investigation swep adds a nice stopgap before Inspector

I just want to reiterate, I'm not against RSD getting their own stopgap but it genuinely needs something unique to add to that appeal of climbing up through the department. It has served ISD and DEA, even GSD, very well so far

These must be UK perms for ISD.

US Investigator get access to Operations in general, the only added disguise is D-Class for Infiltrations and they have no additional authority for arrests. Any CL4 arrest is Inspector+


Anyways +support to adding this as a role for Research, most departments have some form, and like others have said permissions can be ironed out after to find a good middle ground of authority for the role, without making Execs feel useless.

 

[Broda]

These must be UK perms for ISD.

US Investigator get access to Operations in general, the only added disguise is D-Class for Infiltrations and they have no additional authority for arrests. Any CL4 arrest is Inspector+


Anyways +support to adding this as a role for Research, most departments have some form, and like others have said permissions can be ironed out after to find a good middle ground of authority for the role, without making Execs feel useless.

Unlucky US ISD

 

[Emilia Foddg]

1. Being able to authorise Junior Researcher Credit - Sometimes there just isn't Execs on, and it halts their progress heavily
2. Cross Testing Authorisation could be adjusted, letting the Specialists do cross-testing between more SCPs freely. (Probably up to CL1/2)
3. Being able to grant sampling requests for CL2, making CL3+ Exec to grant (or RCPT) - With proper documents still
4. Could be responsible for Junior Researcher On-Boarding, linking back to the 1st point (And if no Specialist+ is on, then Seniors can do it - Like they always could)

I personally like these a lot. Even just the credit authing alone would make me want to apply for this position so I could sometimes hop on and randomly auth credits before switching back to 096 and then subsequently being removed from this WL because it turns out I authed credit that shouldn't have been authed.

From what I recall back when I first joined the server and was learning how it works, I found RSD difficult to get into for issues that both boil down to availability and accessbility. If you want to climb RSD from the bottom, you need to do a lot of tests and do a lot of crediting (which also helps rising GSD and D-Class); But if no-one's around to auth your credits, no-one can do anything. The gameplay loop effectively grinds to a halt, which has massive implications for server health in itself.

Similarly, you can only do the same kinds of test and slop sampling so many times before you (and the other people you are engaging with) get bored - And also there is a larger need for increased testing variety. And more novel kinds of tests tend to end up needing authorisation... Which also can't happen if the necessary people aren't available. Additionally, imagine how this would look to newer players joining the server and learning how it works. They'd start out as a D-Class, get picked up by a Jr. Researcher... Do some test or w/e... And then either die or be returned to only then most likely do some kind of very samey test. I can see that creating a negative impression of both RSD & GSD, since climbing GSD would mean you'd do a bunch of escorting to get credit and if you think all the tests are samey... Well. And of course in more extreme circumstances, this may leave a negative impression of the server overall.

Increasing the pool of who can authorise what increases accessibility and availability both and I can see how that could contribute not only to the growth of RSD, but also GSD and new players to an extent. Server health.