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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
This suggestion overall aims to alter Dimensions with the intention of making them less of a crutch for combatives on the server.
Presently, almost all major CI raids use at least 1 dimension per raid as a way of silently entering Foundation, and Dimensions are the go-to when CI are holding down a position. This makes raids repetitive, as CI are constantly using the dimension, and when attempting something interesting for a raid, they are normally flanked by Foundation using Dimensions in response.
Dimensions are currently used in an almost purely combative fashion and it would be more beneficial for the server’s environment if there were more RP applications for Dimensions.
In attempt to address these major issues, the following could be changed/added:
>Scranton Reality Anchors would pull someone out of any dimension if they were in its area of effect for at least 5 seconds.
>If someone inside one of the dimensions walks through the area of effect of a Scranton Reality Anchor, they will be temporarily partially visible in the real world, similar to how Hume Bubbles dimension users appear, or how people in the real world appear to people in the Helper Dimension. This effect could last between 30-60 seconds.
>If someone is in the MC&D Shadow Dimension, a small Shadow would appear at their current location in the real world.
>Make Hume Bubbles more difficult to create, by making them only appear on a different chemical (E.G. Stable Quantum Matter) or make a new Chemical combination specifically for this
Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Yes!
https://civilnetworks.net/community/threads/dimension-balance-suggestions.24008/ - The first two suggested changes are very similar, one of which being practically identical. As the last two changes of that suggestion were accepted, the first change suggested in this suggestion effectively asks for a buff to that aspect of the SRA.
Given that this was 5 months ago and Dimensions still remain difficult to create counterplay for despite the changes made since, it feels reasonable to suggest these things at this time to further crack down on the overpowered aspect of Dimensions. This suggestion is also more than that.
https://civilnetworks.net/community/threads/nerf-dimension-raids.27779/ - Also asks for potential nerfs to Dimension raids, but is a little vague, asks for a somewhat similar solution to one suggested here (in the form of adding a new item whereas this asks for changes to one), but is not nearly as thorough or offers as many ideas as this suggestion.
Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
>A significant portion of the community appears to greatly dislike how dimensions are currently being used - Not to mention the impact the use of have had on server health. This suggestion, or whatever changes it inspires, should hopefully serve to sufficiently resolve their grievances.
>Increased difficulty of CI getting free entry on Foundation using Dimensions, since even though it still protects them and gives them more time, but in exchange they are slightly more detectable, and would have to constantly stay on their feet.
>Improved counterplay against forces that are known to be in the dimension, with these SRA changes you can prepare for their flank by virtue of being able to see their positioning, and would make it easier to pull a dimension hold out of the dimension using a SRA.
>Would potentially make it harder to go around the map undetected, as Hume Bubbles would be rarer/more expensive, and all factions would have to rely more on the naturally spawning ones, or pay a large price to use one.
Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
>Shadow Dimension may be nerfed too hard - As it does cost 30k per.
>Dev time. Changes such as the scranton one or the potential of a new SCP would take a lot of time to create and implement, while other changes like the simple Hume Bubble change would be quite easily changed.
>More things to potentially have to (re)balance. This can be seen as a positive, as it freshens things up for people as the dimensions will no longer be as overpowered, but things will still need to be changed and monitored.
Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
>The community has disliked the dimensions for awhile since their release, due to the inability to play around/against them, with it feeling unfair to deal with CI entering Foundation freely with the shadow dimension, Foundation constantly flanking CI raids with no way to react, and CI moving around site constantly using Hume bubbles? Lots of people say that it ruined combat/raids, and honestly, they’re not half wrong.
This suggestion overall aims to alter Dimensions with the intention of making them less of a crutch for combatives on the server.
Presently, almost all major CI raids use at least 1 dimension per raid as a way of silently entering Foundation, and Dimensions are the go-to when CI are holding down a position. This makes raids repetitive, as CI are constantly using the dimension, and when attempting something interesting for a raid, they are normally flanked by Foundation using Dimensions in response.
Dimensions are currently used in an almost purely combative fashion and it would be more beneficial for the server’s environment if there were more RP applications for Dimensions.
In attempt to address these major issues, the following could be changed/added:
>Scranton Reality Anchors would pull someone out of any dimension if they were in its area of effect for at least 5 seconds.
>If someone inside one of the dimensions walks through the area of effect of a Scranton Reality Anchor, they will be temporarily partially visible in the real world, similar to how Hume Bubbles dimension users appear, or how people in the real world appear to people in the Helper Dimension. This effect could last between 30-60 seconds.
>If someone is in the MC&D Shadow Dimension, a small Shadow would appear at their current location in the real world.
>Make Hume Bubbles more difficult to create, by making them only appear on a different chemical (E.G. Stable Quantum Matter) or make a new Chemical combination specifically for this
- Could potentially even consider adding a new kind of less combative-focused surface breaching SCP which would be allowed to enter Foundation, where it would have objectives that it could complete in HCZ (Consider placing these objectives in lesser used areas, such as the maintenance rooms & the Data Centre between 076 and 035) for EXP and a little money. This new SCP would have to be very weak at combat, but very fast in order to reliably avoid immediate capture by F or CI. (Maybe it could also have access to a Dimension itself, to try and encourage the use of Dimensions for RP reasons? With the intention there being that it could be discovered while F are checking for CI raiders with Scrantons, using the method described 2 points above, and as a result could potentially attempt to make some form of deal with it? As well as other situations that result in created RP, although this does admittedly create some distinctly combative scenarios that would be fairly common) It’s samples would yield a chemical that would be part of the recipe for the Hume Bubble chemical and there should also be incentive against SCP just freely allowing it to be harvested from them.
Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Yes!
https://civilnetworks.net/community/threads/dimension-balance-suggestions.24008/ - The first two suggested changes are very similar, one of which being practically identical. As the last two changes of that suggestion were accepted, the first change suggested in this suggestion effectively asks for a buff to that aspect of the SRA.
Given that this was 5 months ago and Dimensions still remain difficult to create counterplay for despite the changes made since, it feels reasonable to suggest these things at this time to further crack down on the overpowered aspect of Dimensions. This suggestion is also more than that.
https://civilnetworks.net/community/threads/nerf-dimension-raids.27779/ - Also asks for potential nerfs to Dimension raids, but is a little vague, asks for a somewhat similar solution to one suggested here (in the form of adding a new item whereas this asks for changes to one), but is not nearly as thorough or offers as many ideas as this suggestion.
Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
>A significant portion of the community appears to greatly dislike how dimensions are currently being used - Not to mention the impact the use of have had on server health. This suggestion, or whatever changes it inspires, should hopefully serve to sufficiently resolve their grievances.
>Increased difficulty of CI getting free entry on Foundation using Dimensions, since even though it still protects them and gives them more time, but in exchange they are slightly more detectable, and would have to constantly stay on their feet.
>Improved counterplay against forces that are known to be in the dimension, with these SRA changes you can prepare for their flank by virtue of being able to see their positioning, and would make it easier to pull a dimension hold out of the dimension using a SRA.
>Would potentially make it harder to go around the map undetected, as Hume Bubbles would be rarer/more expensive, and all factions would have to rely more on the naturally spawning ones, or pay a large price to use one.
Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
>Shadow Dimension may be nerfed too hard - As it does cost 30k per.
>Dev time. Changes such as the scranton one or the potential of a new SCP would take a lot of time to create and implement, while other changes like the simple Hume Bubble change would be quite easily changed.
>More things to potentially have to (re)balance. This can be seen as a positive, as it freshens things up for people as the dimensions will no longer be as overpowered, but things will still need to be changed and monitored.
Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
>The community has disliked the dimensions for awhile since their release, due to the inability to play around/against them, with it feeling unfair to deal with CI entering Foundation freely with the shadow dimension, Foundation constantly flanking CI raids with no way to react, and CI moving around site constantly using Hume bubbles? Lots of people say that it ruined combat/raids, and honestly, they’re not half wrong.
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