Rule Suggestion Disallow cuffing reality benders (to kill them)

[Sceptre]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Disallow Reality Benders (D-Class and CI Type Blue) getting cuffed by combatives with the intention to kill them.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
After searching, I have not located any similar suggestions.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
- Makes Type Blue gameplay fairer
- Increases chances for D-Class riots or raids to survive

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- Less ways to counter Type Blues

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Outside of whether D-Class type blues get metagamed, or whether its combat cuffing, allowing the use of metal cuffs to instantly cuff Type Blues and then kill them whilst they are powerless is simply unfair. Hypothetically, even if cuffed, reality benders would easily be able to kill whoever cuffs them using their power (but they "literally" can't because they lose access to the tool when cuffed). Even then, players are unable to know if the Type Blue has their reality bender swep out (unless they are actively using their powers), which means combat cuffing is impossible to tell for a Type Blue that doesn't APPEAR to have a weapon out.
Its such a ratty strategy, and considering the cooldowns between Type Blue being available, this should be changed to facilitate further Type Blue usage.

For those who say "the reality bender should just be spacially aware", how are D-Class reality benders expected to 'be aware' of people disguised as D-Class who run into D-Block to cuff them?

This is not a rage post. I've never played Type Blue, and after discussion within the main Discord, I've made this suggestion in the regard to balance. Having been on the side that has cuffed Type Blues to kill them before, whilst at the time was hilarious, is simply unfair.

 

[Niox]

Against the rules. Make a report.

where in the rules does it say you cant do that?
There has been so, so much contradiction on what classifies as combat cuffing with TB's

 

[Bush von Mann]

Combat cuffing should already be against the rules ?
If it isn't then +SUPPORT

 

[Bush von Mann]

If you mean just standing there and then boom; cuffed.

Not gonna lie, that's not how handcuffs work in real life ?????

 

[Mars]

-support if you get cuffed as a type blue you deserve it

 

[Sceptre]

Have friend sit by or in vents and tell you who came out that didn't go in, then kill the person because clearly they're not a normal D-Class, they don't just appear from in the area with foundation only door.

D-Class aren't always co-operative with eachother (click for the clip), and the job of 'watching vents' is simply boring which makes them inclined to wander off, not to mention normal D-Class flow out of airlock regularly after testing, with disguised D-Class being mixed through there as well.

 

[ToasterStrudels]

-support if you get cuffed as a type blue you deserve it

I'm pretty sure your one of the people who does this lol

 

[Kevin Ki]

where in the rules does it say you cant do that?
There has been so, so much contradiction on what classifies as combat cuffing with TB's

The Senior Administrator in this same thread. Cuffing a TB actively using reality bending is combat cuffing.

D-Class aren't always co-operative with eachother (click for the clip), and the job of 'watching vents' is simply boring which makes them inclined to wander off, not to mention normal D-Class flow out of airlock regularly after testing, with disguised D-Class being mixed through there as well.

I mean, tbf just find a friend who's on D-Class you can trust to watch vents or stick near you to shank fakes/uncuff you. Plus if I notice some random D-Class I don't know following me I tell him to go away or I'm going to kill him. He doesn't I blow his head up. I mean, you're playing a class that's so strong they have to put a death timer on it, having to learn to work around certain tactics isn't the worst thing ever.

 

[Painter]

-support

Cuffing is the one counter to TB + reality anchors. If you have your hand raised, then they can't cuff you.

 

[ToasterStrudels]

-support

Cuffing is the one counter to TB + reality anchors. If you have your hand raised, then they can't cuff you.

by this logic you should be able to cuff people who aren't shooting but have their guns out.

 

[Mars]

by this logic you should be able to cuff people who aren't shooting but have their guns out.

no because a gun is weapon, hands arent

 

[ToasterStrudels]

no because a gun is weapon, hands arent

Type Blues always have their reality swep out. you cant tell we have it out but its out. its a weapon. therefore its combat cuffing if you cuff a type blue.

 

[Jonas Enry]

by this logic you should be able to cuff people who aren't shooting but have their guns out.

To my understanding if you are pointing /aiming gun you can’t be cuffed but if you have the gun out but not pointing at anyone like its holstered but you can’t shoot immediately you can be cuffed from behind.

 

[Jonas Enry]

Type Blues always have their reality swep out. you cant tell we have it out but its out. its a weapon. therefore its combat cuffing if you cuff a type blue.

No it’s if they are using any of the reality bending abilities then is combat cuffing

 

[Niox]

To my understanding if you are pointing /aiming gun you can’t be cuffed but if you have the gun out but not pointing at anyone like its holstered but you can’t shoot immediately you can be cuffed from behind.

nope
Rule is that is has to be a controlled RP scenario

Example would be if someone has their gun on Safety, and has 4 other guns pointed at them, they can be cuffed.
Since the 4 other people have control of that RP scernario.

 

[Kevin Ki]

nope
Rule is that is has to be a controlled RP scenario

Example would be if someone has their gun on Safety, and has 4 other guns pointed at them, they can be cuffed.
Since the 4 other people have control of that RP scernario.

Nah it's 2 to 1. If a person has a gun out and at the ready and 2 point their guns at him, they can order him to put his away as he's now under fear rp UNLESS they were already in combat before 2 were pointing their guns at the 1.

 

[Niox]

Nah it's 2 to 1. If a person has a gun out and at the ready and 2 point their guns at him, they can order him to put his away as he's now under fear rp UNLESS they were already in combat before 2 were pointing their guns at the 1.

just an example. obviously it still applies with 2 to 1

 

[Jonas Enry]

nope
Rule is that is has to be a controlled RP scenario

Example would be if someone has their gun on Safety, and has 4 other guns pointed at them, they can be cuffed.
Since the 4 other people have control of that RP scernario.

Could it not be argued that it is controlled as you are coming up behind them and then slapping their hands away from the rifle? Then cuffing them in same movement?

 

[Niox]

Could it not be argued that it is controlled as you are coming up behind them and then slapping their hands away from the rifle? Then cuffing them in same movement?

No, as you don't have control of the situation.
Realistically you cant just walk up behind someone and just instantly make them put their gun away.

 

[Bush von Mann]

no because a gun is weapon, hands arent

Hands out counts as weapons as a type blue, that's how it works in RP. That's why type blues get shot by ISD for holding their hands out and pointing.

You should know this Mr. Mod ????

 

[Bush von Mann]

-support

Cuffing is the one counter to TB + reality anchors. If you have your hand raised, then they can't cuff you.

You're supposed to use reality anchors and (you'd never guess) bullets to counter Type Blue, that's how roleplay works. In roleplay you can't just run up to the guy literally bending space and cuff him. These tools don't exist for show, you're supposed to use em