Rule Suggestion Disallow "panic binds" from non-essential personnel

[Sceptre]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
This suggestion proposes that the well-known "panic button" bind should be only allowed to be used by personnel that would likely have a panic button. This may include GSD, MTF, SA, SC, EC, DEA, and other high value personnel (typically L3).

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
As far as I am aware, it has not.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
- Comms will not be flooded with "accidental bind presses" as much
- Trainee doctors won't be begging for help because they saw an SCP

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- Virtually none.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:

As a player that has recently migrated from the USA server to the UK server, a consistent issue I see is that lower-level personnel such as cadets, chefs, tech experts, engineers and the like are commonly utilizing the 'panic bind' that you typically find, often requesting people to 'check their headcam'. This information is objectively useless, considering these classes do not receive head-cams by default. I also commonly see that it is used to minge or otherwise mislead other players, as I often see people use it when they are being arrested by IA (of which never works out for them anyways).

Panic binds should be something that signal an immediate threat to the site's (or personnel's) safety, most commonly when personnel are being kidnapped or if intruders are within the facility, and yet it is becoming so common that its beginning to desensitize people from it and genuine emergencies go un-noticed. People need to stop using panic binds whenever they see a breached SCP or whenever they see a GSD shoot another GSD (unless they absolutely 100% know that its a deep cover or disguised d-class, for example).

Try to picture two different scenarios:

A Nu-7 task force member sends their panic. Your immediate thoughts would be "is it a CI raid?" "I should check his head-cam and see whats happening!" "Is he being kidnapped?".
On the other hand, a Tech Expert sends their panic. Your immediate thoughts are "really? tech expert is being arrested again but thinks he's high value enough to be kidnapped by CI?" "how am I supposed to know where he is when the only thing he does is press his panic bind?"

 

[Chad]

-support no sounds dumb

 

[Merrick Travolta]

+Support,

Mfw 3 tech experts panic bind because IA are arresting them (Again)

 

[Emilia Foddg]

-/+ Neutral
I understand where your mind is. But I think a complete overhaul to how the binds system works, rather than just arbitrarily preventing them from being used (and how do you intend it to be enforced? Mechanically, which would need alteration to the binds system anyway? Or as a rule, which would result in the same things happening, but now it's just against the rules...? Which I'm sure is not the environment you're aiming for with this suggestion).

I do have something in the cards for this.

 

["Onion"]

in character issue (also I have yet to see even a single use of a panic bind that was not void)

 

[Harold Hawks]

-Support
This seems more like an IC thing but even if it weren’t, restricting panic binds due to the inconvenience of chat spam or useless messages is not valid.

 

[Simon "Kitton" A.]

Honestly, I think the panic button system is stupid.
I don't know who made it but it makes no sense.
Comms IC are supposed to be spoken through a radio that's why you hear the beep beep sound every message.
Some could argue that its smth u hit when u are in danger unable to speak... well if you aren't able to speak sure but if an attacker has you cuffed how tf would you hit it.
And I agree with you on that not every medical trainee/engineer or even CI alpha should have a designated "player recorder" that directs a message.

I +Support

 

[Bohemia]

-Support
Probable headache to deal with, unneeded change

 

[Mr Apple]

-support

 

[Archangel]

Honestly, I think the panic button system is stupid.
I don't know who made it but it makes no sense.
Comms IC are supposed to be spoken through a radio that's why you hear the beep beep sound every message.
Some could argue that its smth u hit when u are in danger unable to speak... well if you aren't able to speak sure but if an attacker has you cuffed how tf would you hit it.
And I agree with you on that not every medical trainee/engineer or even CI alpha should have a designated "player recorder" that directs a message.

I +Support

Firefighters technically have a "panic button" onto their suits and gears, it activates and makes constant beeping noises whenever a firefighter is still for a long period of time, indictating that they're in need of help, also it is not too far fetched that someone cant just create a system of Panic buttons that are activated upon emergencies.

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In this clip, an MTF Operative sees an anomaly and alerts his teammates silently using a panic button system, if they can do that so can we.

Anyway..

+Support

 

[Simon "Kitton" A.]

Firefighters technically have a "panic button" onto their suits and gears, it activates and makes constant beeping noises whenever a firefighter is still for a long period of time, indictating that they're in need of help, also it is not too far fetched that someone cant just create a system of Panic buttons that are activated upon emergencies.

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In this clip, an MTF Operative sees an anomaly and alerts his teammates silently using a panic button system, if they can do that so can we.

Anyway..

+Support

Never said that panic button system cant be done but picture this... how would a scientist working for a facility in a secluded area need a "panic button" when hes in a highly protected facility with multiple bodyguards and defensive forces and "technically" impenetrable defenses.

With that aside the clip you have shown is a proper panic button not announced in comms such as "IM UNDER ATTACK HELP SWEEP FOR XYZ/INTRUDERS" or "SCP XXX HAS BREACHED SEND HELP/SWEEP THIS AND THAT" that alone is just stupid and doesn't make any sense.
Regarding also the MTF i like the panic button used in such situation he's in that's fine. But at least if a guy is in the same room pointing a gun it should at the very least be FearRP to use a panic button.

I respect your answer though Arch

 

[Zen]

-Support
Just because you find minges annoying, that's not enough to justify banning half of site from panic buttons. All of the roles you have mentioned are Class C Foundation personnel and would be exposed to dangers that may necessitate it.

Also, just because they don't have a headcam on spawn doesn't mean they can't put one on. I always do as a Tech Expert when I remember to.

Also, on UK server recently, Tech Experts literally have been kidnapped by CI multiple times and held hostage, so that's maybe the worst possible example you could have given as to why they shouldn't have it.

Usually also, if somebody panic binds and it's an arrest or something, they will be voided. So any panic binds you see that don't get voided, you should treat as legit.

 

[Zen]

Never said that panic button system cant be done but picture this... how would a scientist working for a facility in a secluded area need a "panic button" when hes in a highly protected facility with multiple bodyguards and defensive forces and "technically" impenetrable defenses.

With that aside the clip you have shown is a proper panic button not announced in comms such as "IM UNDER ATTACK HELP SWEEP FOR XYZ/INTRUDERS" or "SCP XXX HAS BREACHED SEND HELP/SWEEP THIS AND THAT" that alone is just stupid and doesn't make any sense.
Regarding also the MTF i like the panic button used in such situation he's in that's fine. But at least if a guy is in the same room pointing a gun it should at the very least be FearRP to use a panic button.

I respect your answer though Arch

Researchers in this site are Class C personnel, meaning they are exposed to potentially dangerous SCP objects. That they would have a panic button is absolutely sensible.

 

[Archangel]

Never said that panic button system cant be done but picture this... how would a scientist working for a facility in a secluded area need a "panic button" when hes in a highly protected facility with multiple bodyguards and defensive forces and "technically" impenetrable defenses.

With that aside the clip you have shown is a proper panic button not announced in comms such as "IM UNDER ATTACK HELP SWEEP FOR XYZ/INTRUDERS" or "SCP XXX HAS BREACHED SEND HELP/SWEEP THIS AND THAT" that alone is just stupid and doesn't make any sense.
Regarding also the MTF i like the panic button used in such situation he's in that's fine. But at least if a guy is in the same room pointing a gun it should at the very least be FearRP to use a panic button.

I respect your answer though Arch

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[Zen]

Another thing to remember is if everyone had access to actual voice comms, they would be able to call out over that something like "CI!" or "082!" or "Hostile Nu-7!" or anything like that easily before they die. They only can't do that because of the time it takes to type and the fact that they would have to stop what they were doing to type it. The panic binds are literally less informative replacements for that, because most people aren't in comms with anyone else that could call it out, unlike MTFs. So any panic bind, no matter how specific or who uses it, makes absolute sense as they could have just verbally called that out before they died anyway if there was a proper comms system like that.

 

[Skittles]

-Support

If a techie is being arrested and panic buttons, IA can just say void he's being arrested.

Also another "no downside" suggestion post

 

[Sceptre]

Another thing to remember is if everyone had access to actual voice comms, they would be able to call out over that something like "CI!" or "082!" or "Hostile Nu-7!" or anything like that easily before they die. They only can't do that because of the time it takes to type and the fact that they would have to stop what they were doing to type it. The panic binds are literally less informative replacements for that, because most people aren't in comms with anyone else that could call it out, unlike MTFs. So any panic bind, no matter how specific or who uses it, makes absolute sense as they could have just verbally called that out before they died anyway if there was a proper comms system like that.

Of course panics are a quick form of alerting others to a threat, the fact of the matter is that people are over-using them for the littlest of things, whether that be an escaped D-Class or an SCP everyone already knows is breached.

 

[Mars]

-support not a problem

 

[Sceptre]

All of the roles you have mentioned are Class C Foundation personnel and would be exposed to dangers that may necessitate it.

These Class C personnel shouldn't necessarily be encountering too much danger. A scientist in ScD should be being escorted by the necessary security/mtf personnel, for example.

I always do as a Tech Expert when I remember to.

You treat techie seriously, the majority of the others don't

that's not enough to justify banning half of site from panic buttons

Minging isn't the only point I've made - the fact is that a Junior Researcher who is only permitted to test on minimally dangerous SCP objects with a security escort rarely has any actual use case for a panic button

 

[Lightsoulist]

mfw rp suggestion?
-support