Dmitry Strelnikov ban appeal

[Dmitry]

Your in-game name: Dmitry Strelnikov
Your SteamID: 76561198434976351
Your steam community link: https://steamcommunity.com/id/NiktoIZvatNikak2013/
Date of ban: 17/02/22
What is your exact ban reason (shows when you try to connect): MRDM
Who banned you: I can't remember who it was
Ban length?: 2 weeks
Link a copy of the in-game rules here (the url): https://www.civilgamers.com/community/threads/scp-rp-rules.2244/
What will you do to stop this from happening again: I have not done rdming.
Prior to this, have you ever been warned/kicked/banned? - never before.
Why should you be unbanned:
So. I got banned for killing some class D when my friends and I went on strike to get negotiations with security about rights of D-class. We blocked the passages in the line of experiments. When someone went inside, we warned them and demanded to leave, but they ignored us. Then, according to the rules, which say that I can kill people if

• Giving someone verbal commands to stop what they are doing and they continue their actions.

Admin said that I cant tell people to not go in line, but there is not such rule. If we would look at that from the roleplay point of view, this is completley alright. This is strike. Those people are Scabs/Streikbrechers who are breaking the strike, so they actually CAN be killed for doing so if they continue to ignore instructions to stop doing so at gunpoint. This is fully into "what-could-happen-irl" (as I understand word roleplay, maybe I am wrong, )


Why do you want to rejoin this server?: Server is interesting. Server is fun. I like people here, they are nice.

 

[Jason M.]

Hello Dmitry. Myself and Pan were the staff members who banned you, I initially dealt with the situation while Pan gave a second opinion that agreed with my own.

From my perspective, the situation went as follows:

Initially, in RP, I was playing as a D-Class scout and was lining up in the medical line. I was then shot by you without prior reason.

I took you into a sit after checking your kill logs to make sure it was you when I realised you had a total of 16 D class kills. I then questioned you about this and you said that for all of them you told them to leave the research line then killed them.

Firstly, the initial issue is that when on strike, you are still not allowed to kill other D-Class, especially ones which are trying to do their own RP, e.g experiments.

Secondly, being on strike is fine but you cannot just hold D class who are doing their own thing under fearRP because they interrupt your strike. This is not a valid reason to hold someone under fearrp which then results in their death.

As i stated in the situation, you could have performed differently, such as threatening them, kidnapping them, bribing them, in general using RP more rather than fearrp.

I believe this is everything I'd like to mention, apologies if forgot something, I'm writing this at 2am.

 

[Dmitry]

From my perspective, the situation went as follows:

Initially, in RP, I was playing as a D-Class scout and was lining up in the medical line. I was then shot by you without prior reason. - I told you to leave the line, but the game is pretty laggy, so maybe you havent heard me. That happens. (For example during a sit I havent heard you for some time)

I took you into a sit after checking your kill logs to make sure it was you when I realised you had a total of 16 D class kills. I then questioned you about this and you said that for all of them you told them to leave the research line then killed them. - Not exactly like that. With William Blascovitz and one another guy it was - "I cuff them and take them from the line to shower - me and boys threat them to not go in line - he says "no fuck you ill do what I want" - we keep them a bit more - he uncuff himself - we say that we will kill him if he will keep ignoring - He still uncuffs himself - we cuff him another time. - he AGAIN uncuffs himself - he got shot - he respawns and run to the line after 5 seconds - get threatened to leave the line - get shot - run there again. - AGAIN THREATENED - again get shot. - takes the knife to kill me - get shot again.

Firstly, the initial issue is that when on strike, you are still not allowed to kill other D-Class, especially ones which are trying to do their own RP, e.g experiments. - Isnt my, or somebody else roleplay can interrupt somebody else roleplay? I mean, thats the point. People can act in the way that will stop somebody else from doing something, that is, you know, something into roleplay and think called "Common sence". Things are not always be smooth for everybody and kinda like, yep.

Secondly, being on strike is fine but you cannot just hold D class who are doing their own thing under fearRP because they interrupt your strike. This is not a valid reason to hold someone under fearrp which then results in their death. - Why it is not valid reason? It breaks common sence? I think that this is something that is into "common sence" wich is a thing that guides me in my roleplay. I mean, if I would take hostages I would prevent them from "doing their own rp wich they want to do", and I will get banned? Yes?

As i stated in the situation, you could have performed differently, such as threatening them, kidnapping them, bribing them, in general using RP more rather than fearrp. - I threatened them and kidnapped them, I told this to you. But they just ingore me or uncuff themselves, run away, get shot, run into line again, get cuffed again, uncuff again and run away again and get shot again. I think that is exactly the reason why they have not called a sit on me - because they understand that this is, you know, roleplay situation. (Yep, nobody else called a sit among 16 kills in a large perion of time)

So, I ask you to actually look at this situation as a part of common sence roleplay and tell me what in this situation actually breaks immersion or kinda like that. I mean, that could happen during a real prison strike - nobody loves Scabs/Streikbrechers even during, you know, normal strikes, I think into a class D prison it could be much worse, so this is part of immersion and roleplay, as I think. I wanted to create roleplay situation with security being forces to go in to protect thoose scabs or force them to negotiate with me, isnt it part of roleplay? Isnt it in-immersion situation? Please, explain whats wrong with that from the common sence point of view - not from "muh you must not interrupt somebody else play, even if you are doing that into roleplay" Or, maybe, I should not use common sence but use.. what, idk? There is no rule wich would say something about "valid" and "not valid" reasons.

 

[Jason M.]

While I understand the roleplay aspect of the strike, striking in this server is allowed but to a limit. You are still not allowed to kill D-Class who choose to not participate in your rp.

This scenario is the same as if I'd say that any D-Class who aren't brutes have to die because they're not strong enough to be in the gang or something.

While they aren't really the same thing, the issue still stands. Your RP cannot stop other D-Class from their own RP.

 

[Dmitry]

While I understand the roleplay aspect of the strike, striking in this server is allowed but to a limit. You are still not allowed to kill D-Class who choose to not participate in your rp.

This scenario is the same as if I'd say that any D-Class who aren't brutes have to die because they're not strong enough to be in the gang or something. - No, it is not. Its like forbidding people to join on a role, not forbidding something IC.

While they aren't really the same thing, the issue still stands. Your RP cannot stop other D-Class from their own RP.

Dude this is not RP, this is something else than RP. Roleplay means playing your role in a situation wich is created by the server. For example I do not want to play RP with, lol, SCP-76, so he cant kill me? Dude, that even sounds retarded, whats than wrong with class D killing somebody during their RP process?
Ok. Some more examples.
I do not want to roleplay with 912, so if they kill me for having a gun he should be banned.
I do not want to roleplay with security, so I have to be allowed to walk where I want on a map - but they shoot at me, but I dont want to roleplay with them!!

 

[Dmitry]

Btw I would love if some higher administration would like at my appeal because I cant talk to somebody who literally does not understand what roleplay means, yep.

 

[Dmitry]

While I understand the roleplay aspect of the strike, striking in this server is allowed but to a limit. You are still not allowed to kill D-Class who choose to not participate in your rp.

This scenario is the same as if I'd say that any D-Class who aren't brutes have to die because they're not strong enough to be in the gang or something.

While they aren't really the same thing, the issue still stands. Your RP cannot stop other D-Class from their own RP.

I would love to read that rule that forbids me from playing logical roleplay.

 

[Flames]

Appeal Denied​

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Hi Dmitry,

Thanks for taking the time to make a ban appeal.

Since this is a SeriousRP server, SeriousRP is expected. It doesn't mean you get to cap the person in line because they aren't participating in strikes or your riot. This is a Roleplay server however it has its limitations. I'll be reducing the majority of the bans timer, however when you are back please take precautions for what you do.
Your ban will expire on 21/2/2022.

Kind Regards,
Flames​