Content Suggestion Give ISD a keycard printer on US server

[Advil Smith]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Places a keycard printer in ISD commissioner bunks.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
No, not through a content suggestion

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
Gives the department most likely to use the printer the printer
Allows ISD to maintain cover while disguised

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
Abuse- Commissioners are a pretty trusted role and they are infact above ECAs/OSAs who can also print cards. I trust all of them to use them in a professional way.

Raid target- Site admin has same amount of keycard doors, it has the same amount of coded doors. Also very few ci have tried to use keycard printer as a raid target as it isn't that useful without bio cards.

Being in a spawn room- Site admin has their keycard printer right next to offices, atleast on the USA side I am open to having a whole separate room for it if need be. I won't speak for UK

Taking away from interactions with SA/FCOM- Not really sure how much of an interaction this is, from my experience and others its being told they are busy or sitting in a room waiting 2 minutes for a keycard to print then leaving. Not much interaction of value and it makes sense for isd to have it.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:

Hello, I have conveyed to multiple SL that ISD requests a keycard printer, I was told to make this suggestion after discussions. ISD currently relies on dead bodies and Site command to provide them. I have met with multiple ISD and they find site command often aren't around or too busy to help provide keycards. ISD also rarely will find keycards on the ground. We aren't CI and just kill people for them we have to wait for a massive breach to happen to get that chance most of the time.

ISD as I said would use the keycard printer the most, we would like to be given the chance to use it without the current problems we have with it.

Thank you and I will answer any questions you may have.

 

[Avery Snow]

+Massive Support
If a single suggestion that I've supported gets approved this year, let it be this.

USA ISD would benefit massively from a keycard printer, disguises are a key part of their job.
Doing it in house would just be so much easier, that's what other foundation disguising roles do anyway, A-1 and O-1 have their department's printers. ISD shouldn't be exempt from this, Especially if it's locked to Sr. CL4.

There are concerns, but I suggest that it could even be trialed for a week or so to see how it goes. To my knowledge this would be a very simple change, that's easy to revert, why not try it?
If it goes well, then keep it, if it has issues, review them and if they can't be mitigated. Adjust accordingly.

 

[Tommy G]

+Support
As the department that deals the most with working undercover and often needing keycards to properly blend in, if any department apart from SC should have a printer, it would be ISD.

The door requirements to go through would be the same as SA Offices, no one with a random CL4 would be able to access as the door is keypaded, again, same as SA Offices. If anything it would be more secure as the area is more populated and has constant traffic of ISD and Foundation staff.

While it is possible to get SC to print you a keycard, often the process can be lengthy especially if you need multiple cards for multiple people and does not really encourage interaction as stated previously. You simply walk in, wait and leave once finished. Other times it's not valid at all as they are often busy or simply had enough of printing keycards every 5 minutes for people as that interrupts their own work and RP.

It would only be available for Commissioner+ which is a Sr. CL4 position. They are highly trusted and know better than to abuse the power that would be granted to them with the printer access. Keep in mind that anything you print is visible to server administration so printing keycards that are mingy or break server rules would be noticed and dealt with. Why would Jr. CL4 positions be trusted to not abuse them but a Sr. CL4 not be trusted in that same regard? What do people even refer to as "Abuse the printer"? Abuse it how exactly, how would it be any different than any other departments that have trusted personnel handling it? If "Abuse" happens, it can always be dealt with and power granted can always be stripped.

ISD shouldn't have to go on a goose chase through different departments just to have a single keycard printed. We wouldn't mind spending our own time to help our lower ISD staff get keycards that fit their disguises so they can do their work properly as that is literally one of our main duties and it's what we do.

In my opinion if you don't agree with this please state proper reasons as to why a department that deals with undercover work and investigations should not have access to a keycard printer apart from "Someone else can do it" or "We don't need this for UK". This is a US suggestion and the servers are quite different in how they are being ran and how they operate.

 

[James Dingle]

Hi there @Advil Smith

This is more of a request for your server's SSL team rather than a content request, However, I will use this forum as an opportunity to ask you this question.

Have you explored using Omega-1 as a proxy for accessing the Committee's keycard printer? To my knowledge, they have override to access all of the doors within Ethics Committee Wing that would allow them to print one upon your request.

Look forward to hearing back

 

[Tommy G]

Hi there @Advil Smith

This is more of a request for your server's SSL team rather than a content request, However, I will use this forum as an opportunity to ask you this question.

Have you explored using Omega-1 as a proxy for accessing the Committee's keycard printer? To my knowledge, they have override to access all of the doors within Ethics Committee Wing that would allow them to print one upon your request.

Look forward to hearing back

Like Walter previously stated "Hello, I have conveyed to multiple SL that ISD requests a keycard printer, I was told to make this suggestion after discussions."
US SL made the suggestion to make a post here, hence we are at this point.

That is definitely possible, but if you think O-1 are going to go out of their way to print keycards for ISD Agents etc. every time they need one, that is just wishful thinking. It's not part of their duties and I doubt they would be happy having their own work interrupted just to go print keycards for ISD.

I really don't see the point of ISD having to dance around multiple departments to possibly get a keycard printed, just so they can do their job. All of this could be immensely simplified by simply having their own printer.

 

[James Dingle]

Like Walter previously stated "Hello, I have conveyed to multiple SL that ISD requests a keycard printer, I was told to make this suggestion after discussions."
US SL made the suggestion to make a post here, hence we are at this point.

That is definitely possible, but if you think O-1 are going to go out of their way to print keycards for ISD Agents etc. every time they need one, that is just wishful thinking. It's not part of their duties and I doubt they would be happy having their own work interrupted just to go print keycards for ISD.

I really don't see the point of ISD having to dance around multiple departments to possibly get a keycard printed, just so they can do their job. All of this could be immensely simplified by simply having their own printer.

I can definitely see it being useful for undercover operations for ISD, and I do understand your point surrounding independence in being able to print these but there is also the opposite view point that realistically your leadership team may need authorisation from a higher power to be able to complete specific operations.

It would be cool if the keycard printer stored information about what was printed on that day (since the server restarted) so that it could be audited IC as I can imagine that would settle some hesitation in relation to abuse from most parties.

 

[Tommy G]

I can definitely see it being useful for undercover operations for ISD, and I do understand your point surrounding independence in being able to print these but there is also the opposite view point that realistically your leadership team may need authorisation from a higher power to be able to complete specific operations.

It would be cool if the keycard printer stored information about what was printed on that day (since the server restarted) so that it could be audited IC as I can imagine that would settle some hesitation in relation to abuse from most parties.

Of course, if it's concerning something serious and higher authorization is needed for a specific operation, proper protocol should be taken so they don't step out of line.

And this is a great point and suggestion actually, I agree with having Stored Information on the printer so IC audits for example from Ethics or SA could happen to check if we're not abusing it. That would definitely help the hesitation or distrust from other parties.

 

[Jack Edwards (Spoon)]

It would be cool if the keycard printer stored information about what was printed on that day (since the server restarted) so that it could be audited IC as I can imagine that would settle some hesitation in relation to abuse from most parties.

This would remove all my hesitation regarding this change.
My main concern is ISD using the printer to frame CL 4s and to force a tribunal, take this scenario for example.
Let's say a GSD Captain has been getting on ISD's nerves. They keep questioning ISD when they arrest GSD and constantly demand they allow GSD leadership to handle it.
They haven't broken any rules yet but a commissioner gets tired of them and wants to give out some payback. So he calls an agent over and orders them to strip their card. The agent not thinking anything of it follows the order and walks away.
The commissioner then proceeds to print a CL 4 with the captains name on it and walks out. He looks for a captain to disguise as and takes the disguise.
The now disguised commissioner holding an exact copy of the aforementioned captain's keycard can now freely search for a CL 3 ISD and break the FLC in front of them
Since that CL 3 ISD lacks the authorization to arrest CL 4s, he demands ID. The disguised commissioner happily obliges and walks away.
He later undisguises and returns to his office, destroys his fake keycard and prints a new copy of his own. He looks at his discord and that CL 3 ISD gives him the perfect clip to tribunal his least favorite captain.
The problem with this? It's all in character and even if staff were to monitor logs, all the commissioner would have to do is wait a day or two so the logs would clear (unless I am incorrect about staff logs)
There is simply no checks with this, allowing ISD to freely frame whoever they like with way too much ease

 

[BlueDorito 'Burrito']

This would remove all my hesitation regarding this change.
My main concern is ISD using the printer to frame CL 4s and to force a tribunal, take this scenario for example.
Let's say a GSD Captain has been getting on ISD's nerves. They keep questioning ISD when they arrest GSD and constantly demand they allow GSD leadership to handle it.
They haven't broken any rules yet but a commissioner gets tired of them and wants to give out some payback. So he calls an agent over and orders them to strip their card. The agent not thinking anything of it follows the order and walks away.
The commissioner then proceeds to print a CL 4 with the captains name on it and walks out. He looks for a captain to disguise as and takes the disguise.
The now disguised commissioner holding an exact copy of the aforementioned captain's keycard can now freely search for a CL 3 ISD and break the FLC in front of them
Since that CL 3 ISD lacks the authorization to arrest CL 4s, he demands ID. The disguised commissioner happily obliges and walks away.
He later undisguises and returns to his office, destroys his fake keycard and prints a new copy of his own. He looks at his discord and that CL 3 ISD gives him the perfect clip to tribunal his least favorite captain.
The problem with this? It's all in character and even if staff were to monitor logs, all the commissioner would have to do is wait a day or two so the logs would clear (unless I am incorrect about staff logs)
There is simply no checks with this, allowing ISD to freely frame whoever they like with way too much ease

Having the ability to audit the printer would be lovely! it would remove all the doubt especially if it can be done IC. I wonder if we can put a ticket in to Staff to get the records off the printer.

When has this ever happened in the history of ISD? Our goal is not to frame people but to help enforce the FLC. We have too much stuff to deal with than frame CL4 personnel that are on the same side as us...
No one from ISD Leadership wants to frame CL4s. We just want to have keycards to match our disguises. We could make a req where the names used on the keycards have to be names that are not used by any individual. We will not be printing any CL4s. Our agents use CL1-3 keycards. If anyone abuses it they will have their head on a stick as they say. It won't be taken lightly.

 

[James Dingle]

Having the ability to audit the printer would be lovely! it would remove all the doubt especially if it can be done IC. I wonder if we can put a ticket in to Staff to get the records off the printer.

Definitely possible so long as the person doing it would have the clearance to do so IC!

I won't lie and say that I know if it's possible to give IC audit logs in the manner I suggested or not but certainly use staff to your RP advantage by asking for a list of things printed for audit purposes if you so wish.

 

[Jack Edwards (Spoon)]

No one from ISD Leadership wants to frame CL4s. We just want to have keycards to match our disguises. We could make a req where the names used on the keycards have to be names that are not used by any individual. We will not be printing any CL4s. Our agents use CL1-3 keycards. If anyone abuses it they will have their head on a stick as they say. It won't be taken lightly.

You can't guarantee that for current or future commissioners is the thing. Until there is a clear method of ensuring accountability I refuse to support this change

 

[Zen]

+Support
It just makes sense, and all of the -supports so far have just been "you don't technically need it" as if that's a good reason for anything. We don't technically need CN, so I guess we should just turn the servers off and go home.

Or just the claim out of nowhere that ISD Commissioners are somehow untrustworthy. Not even worth commenting on.

 

[Alan Froud]

- Support
ISD don't need a printer that's SA's job, ISD's job is to uphold ethics and the legal codex they don't need to worry about printing cards are per it's not in their duties