Denied ISD/EC Victory Suggestion

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ScavBane

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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Allow ISD / EC to obtain a person's identification through Bodycamera footage except for CI DCs & Classified such as O5 who can only be seen as Site Inspectors.
Example: Researcher obtains footage of crime, but only ISD/ EC personnel can actually use technology to identify the person in the camera footage.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
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Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
+ Less people avoiding the Arrest RP of ISD. Actual consequences for being caught on bodycamera rather than being told that you need a keycard to do anything against the person in the bodycamera.
+ If you can get someone's identity on a cctv camera, you should be able to use the same technology with a bodycamera.
+ Makes it important that you get rid of witnesses when you commit crimes.
+ Makes it so that you don't have to watch ISD do nothing as they can't do anything with bodycamera footage that has no identification in it.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- Angry people believing ISD arrests causes people to leave the server. (PS: Were not)
- Lot harder to go against the Ethics Committee.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
ISD & EC become a much stronger force in the foundation, and reduce the bureaucratic corruption roleplay that's annoying a lot of departments lately!
More serious on this note, big complaint about what causes server inactivity especially in the departments like RSD who don't like getting involved in burueacracy roleplay and just want to focus on research roleplay. The amount of burueacracy roleplay especially in the UK servers has become too annoying, and before anyone mentions it. In the UK servers from what I know, it doesn't even involve EC/ISD most of the time, so don't say we encourage it.

Also like, people constantly question why you can't just identify them by their appearance in roleplay, and we have to /LOOC, we can't use appearance to identify someone. And they still IC argue that we should be able to recognise someone, but in roleplay we have the memory of a goldfish or something when it comes to people's faces.

I do hope that this gets approved in some way, like heavily restrict it if you wish. But the fact we can't arrest someone with solid evidence because we don't have a keycard on bodycamera yet we can identify someone on a cctv camera who wears a full face-covered helmet is weird.
 
+ / - Support

My reason is that while it makes sense for ISD to have these powers, there has to be some level of balance to it. Yeah, RSD doesn't like to get you guys involved bc it takes forever, and GSD usually needs you to get people out of D-block, but honestly, it'd be easier if you guys could just identify people by their appearance. Everyone on site should have name tags or name identification badges along with key cards in lore or whatever, which would explain how CI are able to perfectly disguise themselves as people while stealing keycards like a CL 3 or CL 4.

Body camera should always be a 1st option for crimes and whatnot, but if not applicable, just get a name, description, and question people. Maybe do some more investigation RP.

Honestly, this might be more of an ISD issue. Maybe go through the handbook and fix some things up like RSD and GSD have done recently.
 
To be honest I do see where this suggestion is coming from but just not written out well in this suggestion.

The issue I see is that if you want body cam of a CL4 doing something, right after they do the bad thing you have to go "Hey can I see some ID". If you're by yourself with no one else to fearRP the CL4, theres just nothing you can do, in the situation of it being a CL3 or lower this just isn't needed at all to be honest.

If you just refuse to show ID as a CL4, theres nearly nothing you can do to get a valid bodycam.

But as this is written the suggestion is unnecessary and is just kind of incompatible with the rest of how the server works.

If it was CL4/5 only I would be a bit more likely to support it because it is a bit silly you can get a bodycam of some like MTF Major doing something and if no ID is shown you can't do much despite there being a total of 2-3 people in that position.



But yeah there really should be some way to identify people, especially CL4, though this isn't the right implementation.
 
Detective work is a core part of roleplay. I issued a fair few investigations to ISD when I was Chairman and it gave them a lengthy avenue to persue which sometimes gave the desired result.

You will not "win the RP" all the time. Sometimes you will get a dead end and that is part of the RP as a whole. Issuing this one size fits all powergame tool is just a disaster waiting to happen.
 
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