Accepted Let DEA Operatives/Agents and Gensec Officers and upwards spawn with 100 shield instead of 50

[Prplex]

What does this suggestion change:
This suggestion would spawn Gensec officers and DEA with 100 full shield instead of the usual 50.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Similar shield related buffs have been suggested by people before but none for Gensec/DEA recently.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
It would allow Gensec officers to get back to d block quicker after respawning. Currently even if you go to the security sector armoury it only replenishes it up to 80 without using the full shield option inside it which features a cooldown.
Another positive for both Gensec and DEA is that it would allow them to fend off intruders more effectively.
Would give Gensec officers an advantage in controlling insubordinate GSD guards and cadets and would help against situations with multiple D class rushing you.
It would put DEA more on par with the potential intruders they deal with as currently CI have better equipment and more armour.
Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
Would make rogue Officers/DEA harder to kill/capture.
Might make CI raids harder

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Currently most combat roles spawn with full shield whether that be MTF, CI, UNGOC or even combat medics and it would put these roles more on par when it comes to defending the facility. On top of this there is a limit on how many people can be officer or DEA agent which means it doesn't massively tip the balance against CI it just gives some combatants a better fighting chance. Additionally I think it makes GSD officer more worth playing because currently its pretty much guard with clearance 3 and a few loudout options. If i wanted to make the biggest difference in D block currently the best option is Combat medic as they have full shield and can heal and revive making them much more effective in D block and outside of the RRUs are the best thing in a riot and giving GSD officers full shield would put them more inline with the combat medics too. For DEA it would give them much better survivability from CI as currently they have inferior equipment and weapons in addition to health. I believe they need a slight edge as often unless its a deep cover raid they will be outnumbered and outgunned and heavily rely on NU-7 being online to help them. I believe this buff would make DEA a more attractive career for players to pursue and would help bolster the DEA department overall. I think most importantly this would be a fairly quick and simple thing to add which leaves it as a question of is it beneficial or not instead of is it worth the developers time or not

 

[Bill Nye The Guy]

think of the last time you have seen a group of gensec make an orderly and efficient queue to get armour after they respawn to fight the CI who are rapidly approaching D-Block lol

 

[Niox]

think of the last time you have seen a group of gensec make an orderly and efficient queue to get armour after they respawn to fight the CI who are rapidly approaching D-Block lol

pretty silly

 

[Emilia Foddg]

kid named "YOU CAN ONLY GET ARMOUR ONCE EVERY 5 MINUTES & SUIT BATTERIES ONLY RESPAWN QUICKLY WHEN YOU ARE NOT PLAYING AT PRIME TIME (WHICH IS THE ONLY SITUATION WE CARE ABOUT)":

https://imgur.com/WWHtNZt

talk about a moot point bro think about what you say before you say it i got really upset when you said moot ???

eh, fair enough

anyway, how about this then:
DEA having more armour = DEA living longer = more chance of that DEA being in your clip when they backspawn on you so staff will actually do something about it

gensec having more armour = i mean,

think of the last time you have seen a group of gensec make an orderly and efficient queue to get armour after they respawn to fight the CI who are rapidly approaching D-Block lol

honestly, you argued against yourself here, gensec simply don't have the co-ordination or skill to defend against CI raids, pure skill issue there. nothing will change for CI. if anything, it might be harder for d-class to get a raid out... but this is all still gensec skill issue.

eh, i'll change to

+Overwhelming Support
for the express purpose of sowing pure chaos, please implement this with urgency

 

[Bill Nye The Guy]

honestly, you argued against yourself here, gensec simply don't have the co-ordination or skill to defend against CI raids, pure skill issue there. nothing will change for CI. if anything, it might be harder for d-class to get a raid out... but this is all still gensec skill issue.

let's think about the main focus of gensec: D block
not only would it be extremely unfun for all d class for every single gensec to have 180HP while they have quite literally the worst pistol in the game as one of the only guns they can use, it would also be unfair during a riot where every SINGLE gensec on railings, airlock, etc... had almost double their health?
besides, unless you're a bored RRT the only time gensec should really be dealing with CI is when we're at low pop (which is a situation we don't care about) or if they are directly attacking D-block.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

let's think about the main focus of gensec: D block
not only would it be extremely unfun for all d class for every single gensec to have 180HP while they have quite literally the worst pistol in the game as one of the only guns they can use, it would also be unfair during a riot where every SINGLE gensec on railings, airlock, etc... had almost double their health?
besides, unless you're a bored RRT the only time gensec should really be dealing with CI is when we're at low pop (which is a situation we don't care about) or if they are directly attacking D-block.

thinking about this from a gensec perspective, back in may/june when i was gensec and trying to get combat levels to join an MTF, i was pretty frustrated at constantly dying to rioting d-class every minute.

 

[Niox]

thinking about this from a gensec perspective, back in may/june when i was gensec and trying to get combat levels to join an MTF, i was pretty frustrated at constantly dying to rioting d-class every minute.

imagine dying to d class
(for all intents and purposes this is a joke)

 

[Chad]

+support for the DEA part either way they're getting it

 

[Glazzing]

+support
If they ain't want us having this, why we got shield batterys in our spawn to give us 100 armor on spawn anyways?

 

[Zen]

kid named "YOU CAN ONLY GET ARMOUR ONCE EVERY 5 MINUTES & SUIT BATTERIES ONLY RESPAWN QUICKLY WHEN YOU ARE NOT PLAYING AT PRIME TIME (WHICH IS THE ONLY SITUATION WE CARE ABOUT)":

https://imgur.com/WWHtNZt

talk about a moot point bro think about what you say before you say it i got really upset when you said moot ???

The armour batteries not respawning immediately is a bug, as far as I know

 

[Zen]

I'm gonna start door faulting SS armoury door so GSD always have 100% armour if this doesn't get accepted

 

[Prplex]

-support for gensec getting 100 armour at spawn: This has been denied before
+-neutral for DEA getting 100 armour at spawn : This has been denied before

As for why -support for Gensec,:
This has been denied before, reasoning (if i remember correctly) being that this would allow all gensec to simply BUMRUSH all enemy combatants (be that D-Class or CI) endlessly with full armour. Spawning at half armour balances out the fact that so many people are usually on this job at any give time.


Seeing as gensec has had zero change aside from job names since the last time this was denied, I doubt anything has changed to warrant it being accepted again.

Consider with 50 armour you effectively have 140HP (if we assume an 80% DR as in base HL2). This is already pretty good.
Spawning at 100 armour effectively gives you 180HP which is enough to withstand multiple extra shots.
Also think about how many people are usually on gensec at any one time. That's essentially five to ten people at any time outside of late-nights who spawn with 180HP that not only are not MTF, but anybody can become with just level 5 combat.

a HORDE of ever-respawning gensec at full HP & armour rushing CI would be even scarier than it already is

If you read it i said Gensec officers and upwards which has a limit of 5 people so it wasnt too strong. Also the armoury doesn't respawn like every other armoury so its not even like i can properly get full shield without cd

 

[Emilia Foddg]

the armoury doesn't respawn like every other armoury so its not even like i can properly get full shield without cd

yeah, that's a confirmed bug

 

[Pyro]

This is an Amazing Suggestion friend!

 

[Michael Dzhetnikov]

except all the gensec and DEA can just go to their armour spawners every time they spawn and fill up on armour anyway, so this is a moot point.

no we cant its bugged, and there is no armour spawner in dea.
(On UK at least)
what bill was trying to say

 

[Derek White]

Suggestion Approved​

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