Make 079 more threatening

Mar 5, 2024
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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:

Let's SCP-079 do more with its powers, especially with regards to computers and electric power sources. [I.E. Printing Rogue Documents, displaying cognitohazards on the monitor.]

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Not to my knowledge, nothing on the dev tracker and the search function didn't yield any results.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
- Allows SCP-079 to do more with computers besides just draining their power.
- Lets SCP-079 be as powerful as it should be. (XK-VIP SCP and under 2 CL4 doors... currently sucks.)
- Could allow for more gameplay for technicians since lord knows they don't do enough.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- Someone could turn a computer into a cognitohazard during an RP scenario and it could disrupt the flow of it.
- Devs have to code this and they are pretty swamped.
- Someone who is good at 079 can become a real nuisance to every foundation server.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Now before you skim through and -Support out of principle (or perhaps even hatred of 079), let me plead my case to the people of CN and also the content team.
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First, more to do with its powers:

SCP-079 is currently a somewhat weak SCP. Now I am not one to often harp about balance because I think things are currently balanced pretty well at the moment... That being said, SCP-079 could use a tune up or two.

Why is that? Well, SCP-079 is locked behind XK-VIP, which costs 80 GPB. It is also an SCP locked behind not one, but two CL4 doors. With that kind of prestige, you'd think that its breach would be catastrophic... but it isn't.

Currently, SCP-079's best way to earn energy is to run around breaking cameras and messing with keycards till they eventually level up enough to breach an SCP. It would be more interesting if 079 had more to do with the electronics around site, such as displaying cognitohazards on PCs (You can already do this with a TE-5) or printing pictures of cognitohazards (3078... or 096 if it's on.). Furthermore, it would be interesting if some kind of re-design could be worked for its re-containment (I'd leave that up to Content tbh. I think the hack is fine but I know it has haters).

Some other ideas I had and could possibly implement:
  • 079 being able to knock out generators: 079 was able to do this back when it was an invisible TE-5 with noclip. I understand why this was not implemented into the modern version as using energy is way easier than a successful CL6 hack. I believe the best way this could be implemented is at max level for 079, using up the most energy to knock generators out.

  • 079 and Site Power: Not sure if he was able to do this back then, but 079 should at least be able to knock out power for electronics such as tesla gates. This is supplementary to the whole generator stuff I mentioned in the previous point, but this would make his breach far more deadly, as not only would he turn off the lights, but also enable other SCPs to get through tesla gates unharmed.

  • 079 and the PA system: Let 079 make bogus calls on the PA system. Do not let it change Codes, but it'd be funny if 079 could cause site disruption by requesting people around site where they aren't needed. Perhaps even add specialized calls that are designed to disrupt site activity.

SCP-079 and RP implications
Next to no one RPs with this goddamn thing, and why would they? You cannot physically interact with the SCP, you cannot sample the SCP, and if it breaches, the only way to contain it is to do a CL5 hack inside its chamber where it cannot even defend itself. It is entirely reliant on an opposing faction or another SCP to defend it. How does this lead to RP? Well after the dust has settled, what is the impact of the breach? What has 079 done to the site?

Its breached an SCP or two, it jammed a door or two, and it probably caused a couple deaths in the process.

Personally, I think SCP-079 should send the site into disrepair. Something that would require coordinated effort from site staff, MTFs, and other site personnel. I don't think 079 should info-leak or set off the nuke, but it should throw foundation for a loop or two when it does get breached.

Thesis statement:
079 is a CL4 SCP that canonically has the potential to be site ruining if it spread out, but currently, it feels like its main job is to turn the lights off, breach SCPs, and jam a whole lot of doors, and while that is deadly, it certainly isn't divergent gameplay-wise or interesting for RP.
 
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I do feel like people not RPing with 079 is not really specific to 079, as right now most interactions with SCP's are sampling, which are easiest to do and have a higher tangible reward than RP-oriented tests, and 079 being both a high security SCP and one that cant be sampled means nobody really interacts with it. Could go on a longer rant on the underlying issues but thats beyond the point.
 
-/+ support

I'm in support of the cognitohazard change

But 079 is not weak by any means, he just needs support. If 1 scp or ci or god forbid both defend him. He makes a simple 10-30 minuet breach an hour.

Once he has legit ANY support camping his door its near impossible to win without ERT being called or mass amount of potent and AA being used which you said.

079 never gets tested on as hes technically a "classified" scp like 008. But legit NOBODY ever follows that. I've seen a fucking cadet hack him in. The only RP you can do with him is questionares as you cant let him out for obvious reasons for crosstests.
 
I forgot to readd the cognitohazard to computers after they was fixed.
There is going to be a small QOL update to 079 soon and that( re adding cognitohazard ) will be in the update
 
-/+ support

I'm in support of the cognitohazard change

But 079 is not weak by any means, he just needs support. If 1 scp or ci or god forbid both defend him. He makes a simple 10-30 minuet breach an hour.

Once he has legit ANY support camping his door its near impossible to win without ERT being called or mass amount of potent and AA being used which you said.

079 never gets tested on as hes technically a "classified" scp like 008. But legit NOBODY ever follows that. I've seen a fucking cadet hack him in. The only RP you can do with him is questionares as you cant let him out for obvious reasons for crosstests.

An SCPs strength should be determined on if it is breached on its own… and NOT if it has backup or support.
 
Major - Support

Already shit to fight

Now Mr. “Clank”, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and certainly you are too.

But I feel compelled to ask, why is it “shit to fight”? If you mention that another SCP being breached alongside it makes it terrible, let me direct you to rule 6.05:

6.05 SCP Camping - SCPs may not camp any area, including containment chambers and checkpoints, unless forced due to ERT turrets and shields, for longer than 5 minutes.

Personally I think this rule should be enforced harder but let me remind you that I am critiquing SCPs based on their own merit. Often times 079 won’t have an SCP defending it and it will probably get RC’d if a competent hacker is present.

If you’re referring to a GOI defending the 079 chamber like a stronghold after it is breached, then yes, it does become “shit to fight”, but that is contingent on GOI presence and not reflective of the SCP’s breach behaviour as a whole.
 
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At the moment, 079 is in a good spot. It is a support-based SCP that has a LOT of power and can cause mass havoc, giving it potential to be more annoying is unrequired.

I. The cognitohazard things is a fine idea ( Which was a thing before ) but as the dev pointed out in the comment section it will be readded alongside some QoL changes

II. The ability to breach SCPs as easily as it does already makes it strong. The 2 CL4 doors that hide it often end up being a hindrance to the recontainment forces rather than a blessing and CI just walk through with NHU half the time.

III. The SCP doesn't cost 80 quid but the package that comes with it - Then again, it's something you can easily acquire with ingame currency through the process of trading. I'm the perfect example of it.

IV. Messing with the power is already a pain in the ass as CL4 basically have to go out of their way to turn on the power any time a bothersome 079 goes to shut it off - Screwing with the generator is the LAST thing we need as the blackouts are already boring enough to deal with.

Miss me with the "Muh aesthetics" argument please, gameplay is and always will be king - and playing in the dark for 5-10 minutes ain't it chief.

V. As previously pointed out by Sam, 079 is a CL4 SCP which means that it's hard for people to bring it up in RP. Want to discover 079? Have fun being gagged and blindfolded for the next 20 minutes!

Realistically speaking though, 079 does have good RP potential and I can already think of some ideas at the top of my head of what to do with it. The main issue stems from the playerbase - Both SCPs and those researching them need to have AT LEAST some RP proficiency to pull it off well ( I.e. make sure everyone has a good time ). This is not the SCP's fault but a human error.


In conclusion, SCP-079 is in a fine place as is. The abilities you propose for it boil down to another blackout, which is a pain as is. Every time I'm in E-11 comms and 079 is out cutting the lights or a blackout occurs people start groaning and complaining about it, myself included and I'll fight tooth and nail to avoid more groan-inducing experiences like that on this server.

You also mistake its role as it's always been a more support-based SCP. A good 079 player can net a fellow SCP a massive killstreak - Those who remember me on 682 and Dutch on 079 know how HORRID the breach was. Also, to reiterate - 079 IS TERRIFYING. The second people realise 079 has breached it becomes prio no1 due to its abilities. Lastly, considering the MAJORITY* of the playerbase can't hack to save their life, 079 is hard to recontain. Adding to it is the fact that E-11 at the moment has no override for its chamber.
 
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At the moment, 079 is in a good spot. It is a support-based SCP that has a LOT of power and can cause mass havoc, giving it potential to be more annoying is unrequired.

I’m gonna go point by point here cause you do bring up some valid points here but I do not think my perspective came across well.

II. The ability to breach SCPs as easily as it does already makes it strong. The 2 CL4 doors that hide it often end up being a hindrance to the recontainment forces rather than a blessing and CI just walk through with NHU half the time.

While I do agree this is a powerful ability… it’s the only powerful ability and it currently takes about 17 power to get which requires going undetected for about good bit to gain the levels. If you were queue breached, E-11 would have steeped for silent and discovered you, which sets you on a soft timer till they RC you.

Furthermore, if these changes are truly too powerful as I have presented them, then give E-11 the override back to the door.

III. The SCP doesn't cost 80 quid but the package that comes with it - Then again, it's something you can easily acquire with ingame currency through the process of trading. I'm the perfect example of it.

This is a valid point however I do think it’s a little unrealistic to say you can easily acquire it with IGM.

Currently, 1k VP is about 150k IGM, so 8k VP is roughly 1.2M igm. Thats just not feasible for a new player without grinding for several hours.

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IV. Messing with the power is already a pain in the ass as CL4 basically have to go out of their way to turn on the power any time a bothersome 079 goes to shut it off - Screwing with the generator is the LAST thing we need as the blackouts are already boring enough to deal with.
I agree! Which is why I said this should be the last attainable thing for 079, making it so that the longer you take to RC it, the more problems it will cause, thus giving some people purpose in prioritizing it.

V. As previously pointed out by Sam, 079 is a CL4 SCP which means that it's hard for people to bring it up in RP. Want to discover 079? Have fun being gagged and blindfolded for the next 20 minutes!

This is just an RP issue and it’s a little sad but I’m not DoR or SC or SL so I’m not in control of how knowledge of this SCP is disseminated or what clearance level it should be.