Denied Nu-7 Medic Buff

[Second]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
+ Allows the MTF Nu-7 Hammer Down - Medic job to access !medic and use of the EST Machine.
+ Adds a Medical Cabinet to the Surface Armory

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Not that I am aware of, N/A

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
+ Allows for quick response to fractures without having to go all the way down to medbay (especially important in the Sniper and DMR dominated meta we live in)
+ Will balance out between CI (who have !medic on their Medic job) and GOC (who have !medic on both Medic AND R&D)

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- Dev time, I would assume?
- Might take away some Medical RP (Though, no DEA or Nu-7 that gets fractured is hauling their ass to Medbay anyways, they're just gonna let themselves die)

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Having easy and quick access to medical equipment is something that the Nu-7 Medic should have, but as is it feels very underwhelming. I don't think adding !medic to Nu-7 Medic job will ruin RP or neuter the Medical department in any regard, it's just a nice QoL change for SOP personnel. CI have 2 Marksmen + 3 Officers (SCAR-H is a fracture machine) and GOC has their own 2 Marksmen, plus any member of those GOIs can easily pull out a MK-18 Mod from a stash, making fractures far too common on surface. CI and GOC have efficient ways to handle these problems whereas Nu-7 and DEA does not, leaving a bit of a power imbalance.

 

[Mark Belgrum (Dutch)]

How, exactly? Medical is 90% noncombative WLs, and the 6 combative slots aren't going to surface to PvP with Nu-7 and DEA against CI. The whole reason I am suggesting this is so that Nu-7 can quick fix their medical needs (such as fractures) without having to job abuse, die, or walk down to medbay slowly.

If you can list me literally any reason how this would "literally ruin medical RP", I would be interested to hear it.

At some point can we all just collectively agree that forced medical roleplay does not and has never contributed anything in any meaningful capacity? It's an SCP server, medical leadership are great and all but it is just not necessary on surface. The RP can be really good, but making people go from Surface to D-Block just to not ever engage in RP and just do the mechanical parts of fixing the bone, is kind of annoying.

UK & US should be included in a suggestion. If UK medical roleplay is doing great, then it's not going to stop because of some ways of circumventing the need of Medical on surface. This goes especially if you guys have some surface based Medical subdivision. However, currently, US medical roleplay is non-existent, and in the last month I haven't seen a single doctor use a /me or /it when healing my bones. Medical are also not included in events often for some reason, despite the massive potential.

Even then this is a change of how the mechanics of a bone fracture works, not the RP of it. If someone wants to engage in roleplay, they will. And if they stop doing that, that should go to show that they never wanted to engage in that role-play in the first place. RP should come out of passion, not necessity.

+ Support

On the UK the roleplay is pretty dead unfortunatly, we do have a combat medics divison that can go to surface. What I would rather suggest is maybe build a small medbay inside EZ (Like he used to have but actually use it for medical) or even floor 2 and use that as a mix between medical and nu-7 medics.

 

[Dinklesprinkle]

How, exactly? Medical is 90% noncombative WLs, and the 6 combative slots aren't going to surface to PvP with Nu-7 and DEA against CI. The whole reason I am suggesting this is so that Nu-7 can quick fix their medical needs (such as fractures) without having to job abuse, die, or walk down to medbay slowly.

If you can list me literally any reason how this would "literally ruin medical RP", I would be interested to hear it.

CM's aren't allowed on surface without auth because of how much nu-7 / DEA got upset when they did get involved if you guys want CM's to be more nu-7/DEA "interactive" then approach us about it instead of being so against interacting with other departments / regiments

 

[Dinklesprinkle]

maybe build a small medbay inside EZ (Like he used to have but actually use it for medical)

ib4 medical as a whole gets moved to EZ

 

[Michael Dzhetnikov]

+ Support

What happened to the soup

 

["Peebus"]

+ support

 

[Simon "Kitton" A.]

I'm for the medical cabinet to be put in surface armory hovewer nu7 medics shouldn't have access to this there are more than enough slots for Combat medics to heal fractures.

All this commenting seems more like a interregimental issue of poor communication.

And for ppl that say "stop forcing medical RP" ,they never forced it they gave you the option to heal yourself with fieldkits or find a medic but hey you can still play the game with a broken leg

Neutral support

 

[Second]

CM's aren't allowed on surface without auth because of how much nu-7 / DEA got upset when they did get involved if you guys want CM's to be more nu-7/DEA "interactive" then approach us about it instead of being so against interacting with other departments / regiments

Either way, no med cabinet up there means no fracture fixing, but I get your point. I just think it's nice to let Nu-7 do surface and CMs/medical handle site staff and internal MTFs (O-1, A-1, E-11). I don't see a reason to force Nu-7 to rely on CMs or force CMs to play around Nu-7. DEA is a !jobapprove'd job (basically soft WL) and Nu-7 is regiment-tied, CM is a free job anyone can play as.

ib4 medical as a whole gets moved to EZ

SO real!

 

[Dalton]

+ Support

 

[Derek White]

Suggestion Approved​

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Hi @Second ,

Thanks for taking the time to make a server suggestion. We will be partially accepting this suggestion as we will be adding the medical cabinet along with the X-Ray table to you are able to fix fractures, but we will be denying access to the EST room.

Your suggestion will now be locked and marked as accepted.​

 

[Yeke]

Suggestion Denied - Overturned​

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Hi @Second ,

Thanks for taking the time to make a server suggestion.

After review of this suggestion, Network Leadership do not feel at this time this would be an appropriate move, Nu-7 Medics in the literal sense are "Revive and Survive", the role of this is to provide immediate life saving treatment, not specialised treatment, we understand it may be annoying to get a fracture, but what you are asking is for us to take this away from the specialised department who utilise this out of "convenience", this is not something we will be allowing.

Furthermore, in regards to the points that CI & GOC medics have access is on the point that they do not have a dedicated department for this roleplay, and does not "balance" out by removing this, we do not want to further harm medical because of a "minor inconvenience", furthermore it is to be stated, that them getting themselves killed because they cannot be bothered to go to medical to fix a fracture if outside of hostile combat is FailRP.

Should you disagree, please contact Ventz for escalation.

Kind Regards
Yeke​