Network Leadership required Regiment COs access to check Time Tracking

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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Add access for MTF/GOC/CI COs to check other people Vtime

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Yes
The reason it got denied is a job specific system needed to be developed (this is already the case)

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
Allows for better hour logging systems inside Regiments (Hopefully to delete the Gjob feel of some of the regiments )
AO has a easier time scouting
No way to fake activity logs (1984)

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- More access to player data given out

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
So
the current Vtime system gives access to check other peoples Vtime for all Staff Members & players with the RP leader flag
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this isn't a suggestions to give COs the Rp leader flag (that's not happening for a number of different reasons)
but rather to give COs access only to the ability to look up other peoples Vtime

"why?"
Activity requirements are there for a reason ( I'm not discussing that )
but at the moment it comes with a necessary evil of needing to sit and fill out a google form every time you finish playing a role on this server
which has the effect of making the regiments (Especially E-11 & NU-7 to feel like a second job (The "Gjob" if you wish)
Giving access to COs would make activity as a whole a background thing , not something you are forced to interact every time you want to play

"Just ask staff"
It would take a good managed CO team about ~15-20 minutes to check a entire Regiments activity
If you are able to find me a Staff Member that can or wants to sit thru 50+ peoples Vtime screens
where the task could be easily split between a couple people already dedicated and trusted to manage a regiment
be my Guest

Wouldn't it be nice to just play for a hour and log off afterwards without any OOC thing bothering you ?
 
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Huge +Support

U.S E-11 has activity officers, even as low as LT. This would help them see who are actually active in the regiment and not just playing other jobs. Obviously this is a video and shouldn't be a GJob. However, if someone is active and wants to move up in the regiment and the spots are full because of people who never flag onto the regiment job other than for like 2 hours a week to do reqs, it makes no sense to keep those people there. Now there is Vtime requirements, but most times people's Vtime is overlooked due to having to get staff involved. Activity in the regiment shouldn't just be up to the commanders of regiments. It should be up to the whole CO team, if a command is less active than an LT then activity checks could still be overlooked. Thank you for attending my Ted Talk.
 
+Support
If you don't have the time for a role just don't go for it in the first place, especially if it's a role with limited slots that someone who does have the time could be in :)
 
Harold Hawks said:
-Support

Already worried about how reg leaders are gonna use it. Let's see how it gets used for like a month and then make this decision if we want to pass it down further.
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Just make it to where the activity you see either says online on a different job OR on the MTF so I can tell if they have been on the job or not. Allowing and restricting the CO Vtime compared to the RP Leaders makes it very much fair and allows MTF CO's to still do their work while not having overstepping power.
 
"why?"
Activity requirements are there for a reason ( I'm not discussing that )
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I shan't disagree that this could be useful, but I believe it would be used by COs to mass check a regiment for their VTimes on the specific roles as a way to control activity rather than actually having any attempts to see it being played out.

There was a previous problem with a specific MTF where COs were not active, because all of their logging in discord / google forms allowed them to monitor their regiment entirely OOCly without needing to be there to see anything (e.g any ongoing hours, combat, RP, etc).

Personally that makes me believe that being able to mass check and watch a whole regiment rather than just the few that COs notice when people aren't active (and then check those specific ones) would result in poorer CO activity and regiment activity quality.
 
YandereMuffin said:
I shan't disagree that this could be useful, but I believe it would be used by COs to mass check a regiment for their VTimes on the specific roles as a way to control activity rather than actually having any attempts to see it being played out.

There was a previous problem with a specific MTF where COs were not active, because all of their logging in discord / google forms allowed them to monitor their regiment entirely OOCly without needing to be there to see anything (e.g any ongoing hours, combat, RP, etc).

Personally that makes me believe that being able to mass check and watch a whole regiment rather than just the few that COs notice when people aren't active (and then check those specific ones) would result in poorer CO activity and regiment activity quality.
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how poorer CO activity if COs can check each other? it would promote activity showing the CO's who aren't active.
 
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YandereMuffin said:
Personally that makes me believe that being able to mass check and watch a whole regiment rather than just the few that COs notice when people aren't active (and then check those specific ones) would result in poorer CO activity and regiment activity quality.
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UK E-11 as a whole is looking for a way to get rid of Hour logging , and make activity a background thing measured by COs and remove the GJob feel that surrounds the regiment
No one wants to hop on a game with the sole purpose of getting their weekly hours ( At that point why play it at all )

There is multiple ways to measure Activity outside hours (Performance in Regimental tasks , RP impact , Combat etc )
I have voided multiple peoples requirements on the basis of their performance in other areas ,
but hour count is something that will be in any combative regiment , where availability is important

Activity requirements are a necessary evil for jobs with slot limits (aka a guy that does nothing with the role given to him is not deserving of it )
But I don't want it shoved in the face of person new to the server or experiencing the role for the first time
when it can be done by someone trusted and selected to help manage it

Activity logs of any kind is something E V E R Y O N E hates & something that already discouraged a lot of people from progressing in regimental roles

The new Time tracking feature is our best way to get rid of that Vile filth (at least for a good part of the newer player base)
And as said before Time Tracking (if given to COs) could be used to remove it

YandereMuffin said:
There was a previous problem with a specific MTF where COs were not active, because all of their logging in discord / google forms allowed them to monitor their regiment entirely OOCly without needing to be there to see anything (e.g any ongoing hours, combat, RP, etc).
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While i see why this is a concern , using the !Vtime in its current form to base hourly reqs
ACTUALLY encourages to at least spent some time manually judging activity for each person

If added to the current way we manage activity in E-11 it would just make faking activity easier to detect
and while that is fine....
its a waste of a really great tool


But at the end of the day
If what I described actually reaches fruition or if it will result in a repeat of :
YandereMuffin said:
There was a previous problem with a specific MTF where COs were not active, because all of their logging in discord / google forms allowed them to monitor their regiment entirely OOCly without needing to be there to see anything (e.g any ongoing hours, combat, RP, etc).
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Is by the fault of COs failing at their leadership duties
not the tool given
 
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