Rule Suggestion Rule Addition- No Major Gameplay Changes without SL+ Approval

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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Rule Suggestion, specifically for the addition of SL Authorisation for major gameplay changes by faction/departmental leads.
Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Y/N. Many suggestions about individual rulings and specific individuals have been made.
Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
+Better Regulation of potentially disruptive changes, smoother gameplay-RP transition
+Accountability for one's mistakes.
Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
-SL being no fun.
-SSL being no fun.
-NL being no fun.

As a serious negative, this can be a genuine problem where staff over-reach can quickly become a problem, and should be heavily watched for misuse.
Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Read the thread, make your own decision. This got heated.


UNFORMATTED -

This might be confusing at first; but hear me out. As of late, a large majority of CL4/CL5 positions on SCPRP UK have authorised major policy changes that have massively decreased the viability of playing specific sample-related SCPs; and pretty much entirely killed off D-class gameplay - though that's also in part due to an SL change.

e.g; Nowadays? We can't sample SCPs without a document (ANY SCP, INCLUDING CL1s) which- while it may sound good that we're increasing the 'roleplay level' of the server - it has done far more damage to the overall gameplay loop than it has benefitted, in my opinion.

Yes, CL5/4 exist as Leadership positions, yes, they should have some power over their respective faction;

But it's a problem where now outside of events, specific SCPs like 860-2, and SCP-939 are pretty much entirely untested. Like, I'm gonna be for real

Over the course of 4 days, I played SCP-939 for a total of 39 hours.
I was sampled once.
I was fed d-class twice.

This averages a test rate of less than one per day. What the fuck?

How are SCP players supposed to enjoy the game other than breaching now? There's no reason to play SCPs other than safe-classes or 912/457 as they can either very easily grind EXP or are close enough to LCZ/other areas to go on mass killsprees before being gunned down violently.

So; here's the suggestion for a rule

1. Members of a Faction's Command, while they have a large portion of authority, may not make unilaterally gameplay-altering decisions that would majorly affect multiple aspects of the gameplay loop, without first contacting a member of Server Leadership and discussing an implementation plan, the benefits, and the negatives.

As for why it is needed- on UK, guess what.

The people who implemented this weren't even CL5.

They were the CL4 ISD Director and RSD Directors.


It's pretty strange to me how this was allowed through in the first place but w/e
 
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Okay uh,

-Support, but not for the reasons listed above (I think IDK man there's a lot of comments-).

Policies created by RP-Figures can be easily circumvented and negated through your own RP. The second that SL gets involved in these things, its no longer just a policy created by RP figures; Its a policy created by RP figures and SL.

That creates a possibility for In-RP actions to be seen as OOC rule-breaks, and as such I disapprove of the change.

For the matter at hand, which seems to be primarily sampling, my honest opinion is; Make some RP out of it. If your character believes that these policies are excessively restrictive, or wishes to do sampling in full disregard for existing policies, you can. There is no staff member stopping you from doing so, as it is an In-Character policy.

Do the roleplay of finding a group of like-minded individuals and form an underground cartel of sample collectors (Maybe such a group already exists? hint-hint-nudge-nudge). Thats the main reason why I like IC policies over OOC staff-mediated policies. There's more space for roleplay as a result. And we all know how much Site-65 staff love disobeying orders.
 
+Support

ngl it has caused a good amount of problems and would also help regulate stuff like this which would be nice. Although it would be better if the SL/SSL/NL gives their inputs instead of deciding it so it is still up to CL4/5
 
I will just say one quote here.

"Levels, EXP and grinding will ALLWAYS ruin roleplay if forced in roleplay and in progression of roleplay."


It's Neutral leading to +support for me due yes, i want SL+ to approve the major changes made by players (oh god the slample document saga) but at the same time, it could lead SL+ getting more control of roleplay but juding by the slample saga i seen. I think it would be for best.


Not using my Site-9 card here for now.
 
bold statement here but i'd argue this is a good thing? i dont think every scp breach should be large enough or have the capabilities to snowball into disrupting activities across the whole site, especially if it is as something as small as an 049 solo breach.

anyways im tired its 4am im going to bed if i sounded stupid during this i'll elaborate if you ask ok? ok good night.
Not what I'm saying. The complaint isn't that it'd be possible, but too difficult - But that it'd be virtually impossible for a solo 049 to leave HCZ with the BDs closed all the time. I'm not saying that it should be able to freely walk out of HCZ every time it breaches, but it needs the actual capability to be able to leave. This curveballs the entire gameplay loop by just saying "lmao, you simply cannot leave" just by keeping the doors shut all the time.

Yes, it makes sense,

No, it's not balanced. This is mechanic abuse. This is only achievable because of the fact that you know that these specific SCPs lack the actual mechanical capability to break through BDs, thus trapping them in HCZ. At that point, that's not just a gameplay strategy or IC policy. You are taking advantage of an OOC mechanic for an IC benefit.

This is not the law of equivalent exchange.
That creates a possibility for In-RP actions to be seen as OOC rule-breaks, and as such I disapprove of the change.
>Be me
>Be SA/FCOM
>Create an IC policy that demands everyone of a specific job be terminated on spawn with valid RP backing
>Is stopped by SL+ because that's literally just (M)RDM

I can't believe my in-RP action was seen as an OOC rulebreak 😔
 
Okay uh,

-Support, but not for the reasons listed above (I think IDK man there's a lot of comments-).
Policies created by RP-Figures can be easily circumvented and negated through your own RP. The second that SL gets involved in these things, its no longer just a policy created by RP figures; Its a policy created by RP figures and SL.

That creates a possibility for In-RP actions to be seen as OOC rule-breaks, and as such I disapprove of the change.

For the matter at hand, which seems to be primarily sampling, my honest opinion is; Make some RP out of it. If your character believes that these policies are excessively restrictive, or wishes to do sampling in full disregard for existing policies, you can. There is no staff member stopping you from doing so, as it is an In-Character policy.

Do the roleplay of finding a group of like-minded individuals and form an underground cartel of sample collectors (Maybe such a group already exists? hint-hint-nudge-nudge). Thats the main reason why I like IC policies over OOC staff-mediated policies. There's more space for roleplay as a result. And we all know how much Site-65 staff love disobeying orders.
I did directly imply this myself, yeah. There's a chance it'll be misused instead of being a proper means of regulating this sort of shit, and I get why people have compunctions over that.
I will just say one quote here.

"Levels, EXP and grinding will ALLWAYS ruin roleplay if forced in roleplay and in progression of roleplay."


It's Neutral leading to +support for me due yes, i want SL+ to approve the major changes made by players (oh god the slample document saga) but at the same time, it could lead SL+ getting more control of roleplay but juding by the slample saga i seen. I think it would be for best.


Not using my Site-9 card here for now.
Ditto. There's a reason why I listed SL/SSL/NL as potentially being "No fun" in the negatives. Could be used to better shut down certain activities, but then again - they kind of already do this - and I dislike pointing fingers here; but we've had instances of rulings and RP-limitations being issued in the three years I've been playing that should have been handled in character - I am not trying to be inflammatory here; It's a simple observation.

I'll update the rule suggestion with an alternative ruling I suppose, when I have the time to theorycraft something that'd help prevent this issue.
 
bold statement here but i'd argue this is a good thing? i dont think every scp breach should be large enough or have the capabilities to snowball into disrupting activities across the whole site, especially if it is as something as small as an 049 solo breach.
Meant to add this to my last reply, but this. it's an RP server not a combat server, (this is the only good take you've ever had kevin, keep it up)

Due to the ammount of non combatives every breach shouldn't turn into a code black/ become a major disruption to everything going on around site.
 
This is because the points have no legs to stand on. You're complaining due to lack of sampling etc. This is a GOOD thing, but you don't realise it for whatever reason.
Me when i can't crash the server economy because others want to enjoy playing the server
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+Support
It's mostly E11 power-tripping that is out of control.
'Sorry you're not allowed to do anything on half the site because we're not online to gatekeep.'
Speaking to E11 in any form is more akin to getting shaken down by a gang member for a check in than any form of actual RP. You'd better enjoy FiveM over SCP-RP if standing around and ego flexing pixels is your thing.
I usually play off-hours when player counts are low, testing was already bad before slop like this got implemented and it is only worse now.
 
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