Denied Security Sergeant with Tranq gun

[Qidn]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
This change would add the Tranq gun to the standard kit of a Security Sergeant.
(Maybe switch it out for the pistol that is given in the kit)

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
This is my first suggestion, I am honestly not quite sure.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
- Sergeant gets the ability to tranq D-Class that are trying to free themselves.
- Just like Response Units (who does have tranq guns) you need a Riot Control License, so the kit would actually fit the role a bit better imo.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- Always some people that could abuse the tranq gun.
- Sergeant get a lot of other things, so your hotbar is pretty full.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
I honestly don't really think the negatives make that much sense, I just can't really think of massive issues that could come from this change.
I do think that it makes more sense for a SGT to get a tranq, since the same license is required when becoming Response Unit, and they do carry the tranq.

 

[Sule Goodman]

+ / - Support

Could be too OP since it gives more people a tool that can literally stop osuits and juggs so....

though it'd be nice so

 

[Timmy Bill Purge]

-Support
No, that's what makes captain ️Special ️

On phone so no color

 

[Jordie]

+ Support original no but isd has it too and that’s easier to get so why not

 

[YandereMuffin]

Hmmm.

Tranq guns are a unique weapon.

I think spreading tranq guns over too many different roles is a poor idea, however I can at least consider sergeants having them as there is only 2 slots and it makes sense.

 

[Sule Goodman]

Hmmm.

Tranq guns are a unique weapon.

I think spreading tranq guns over too many different roles is a poor idea, however I can at least consider sergeants having them as there is only 2 slots and it makes sense.

didnt they get up'ed to 4 slots?

 

[Evil]

-support
no
they will never use tranq on d class they just shoot them

 

[AstroZorbas]

Hmmm.

Tranq guns are a unique weapon.

I think spreading tranq guns over too many different roles is a poor idea, however I can at least consider sergeants having them as there is only 2 slots and it makes sense.

Slots got increased from 2 - 4.

I've had this discussion with Gensec leadership team before and I honestly not too sure if it would be a good idea from my perspective since the current jobs that have tranqs are: Investigator, Inspector, Commissioner, DoISD, Response Unit, Captain, CoS, Consultant, and I think DoM. I think already a lot of jobs seem to have the weapon and increasing it more can be a bit hmmm.

Not leaving a + or - support on this as I'm pretty neutral

 

[Jack Edwards (Spoon)]

While I was initially going to +support this, after though that'd be 4 more tranqs in Security.
That would give GSD 18 tranqs at one time if all SRUs, SGTs, CPTs, and CoS are on. Which CI already had soo much fun fighting the handful that are around

 

[Dan Roth]

-support
tranq is too op needs to be removed or limited use

 

[JustAChef]

-support

Just gonna be a buff to CI when breaching 035. More tranqs = more likely for an 035 to get a tranq and kill ERT from there.

 

[Aphex]

if we made tranqs only be able to be used against people with 0-50 armor that would be a cool interaction, idk

 

[Jack Edwards (Spoon)]

if we made tranqs only be able to be used against people with 0-50 armor that would be a cool interaction, idk

This is actually a pretty good idea. It forces you to weaken your target first and makes sense since the armor is weakened/has holes so you can get the tranq dart through. Also allows CI to not have to fear immediate tranq spam and requires more teamwork to get a successful capture

 

[Emilia Foddg]

if we made tranqs only be able to be used against people with 0-50 armor that would be a cool interaction, idk

This is actually a pretty good idea. It forces you to weaken your target first and makes sense since the armor is weakened/has holes so you can get the tranq dart through. Also allows CI to not have to fear immediate tranq spam and requires more teamwork to get a successful capture

I like this idea, but if you do this as a change to the normal tranq, it could be considered a nerf to ISD when using tranqs to make arrests.

I think this should be approached from two directions:

1. The target - I don't think under any circumstances, F should be able to effectively use tranqs against CI raids.
   
   
2. The purpose - The current way tranqs work is vital for ISD to put a stop to hostile F people breaking the FLC/CoC.

Thus, I propose the following alteration to your idea: A separate, "weaker" tranq gun (that is, in terms of projectile power, not actual tranq effectiveness) exclusively for... I guess, whoever appropriate. I would push this for Sergeants, but if there's good reason to replace existing tranq guns in loadouts with this weaker version, then I'm for it.

From there, follow something like the following table as to how both tranqs will ideally work following this change:

Who Is Being Hit With The Tranq?​	"Weaker" Tranq​	Current Tranq​
F Personnel (inc. D-Class)​	Aphex's Idea​	Normal Behaviour​
CI / GOC​	Aphex's Idea​	Aphex's Idea​

It's a little weird, clunky, and probably far more problematic to implement, but I think this could solve the problem without causing issue to the ISD gameplay loop.

 

[Solus_16]

D-class complain all the time about "RDM" Or "You killed me for no reason" during riots and stuff. This, and ethics, is why GSD have been trying a less lethal tactic against D-class. Giving SGT a tranq that can stop aggressive D-class without the requirement for a gun or can stun fleeing D-class without killing them would be ideal. I mean, tranquing and cuffing and dragging is better for both parties in my opinion, well it's certainly better than "gun go pew". It adds more RP and decreases combat and d-class murder, which is ideal for a RP server, no?

This is coming from a GSD captain, by the way.

 

[Lightsoulist]

It adds more RP and decreases combat and d-class murder, which is ideal for a RP server, no?

9+ jobs with tranq guns = it’s abused to hell and back against ci and other stuff
It’s like the same idea with giving a medic class to omega 1/alpha 1. Too much isn’t healthy.

 

[James Dingle]

Suggestion Denied

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Hi @Qidn ,

Thanks for taking the time to make a server suggestion.

The Content Team has chosen to deny your suggestion due to the following reason(s):

GENSEC currently have access to enough Tranquiliser guns via Response Unit, Captain and CoS.

We do not see the need to add this to another role, as Tranquiliser guns are already quite powerful and therefore we see no need to add any more to the current ecosystem.

Your suggestion will now be locked and marked as denied.​