Denied Should 912 be in Inner D-block? / Reworking 912's playstyle while in inner D-block

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Willaim Lingerson

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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:​

I'm asking the community if 912 should or shouldn't be allowed in inner D-block. This isn't the final verdict I'm planning to take information then build upon it to have a 912 that does its job but doesn't completely game end D-class's riots or TB runs. Some people may say that 912 is easy to deal with just get knives surround him and beam him. Sadly, these are from people who don't play D-class often and think that 14000 health is easy to take down with knives alone not even mentioning the fact he can fight back. Also mentioning you need a CL3 to deal with him, 912's purpose was to deal with D-class who hide in the Bathrooms and shoot the catwalk (Which BTW can be dealt with by just jumping down into D-block and sweeping the bathrooms, which already happens quite a bit). If there isn't any GENSEC to auth this, there will always be some type of SA to auth it. As a D-class main who deals with this constantly I have grown a hatred for him, and to those who say that this is a D-class cope just remember that someone is behind the screen willingly playing as the little guy to die to you and get scrap then die to you again and again in an endless cycle. (REMEMBER) This is simply me learning about people opinions on 912 and his ability to enter D-block. I am expecting this to be denied but am using it to gather information so I can create an effective and fair suggestion based on the intel shown.​

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Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?: ​

Most likely but I am here to not just demand 912 be removed from entering Inner D-block, I want to see what the community thinks and build upon that eventually creating a forum post people can agree with.

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Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2): ​

D-class won't have to deal with the fact that a theoretically invincible anomaly will be watching them constantly and will kill them no matter what if they attempt to do anything. GENSEC will have to fight fairly against D-class who already are unable to defend D-block most of the time. TB runs would have to be dealt with using the tools provided instead of just 912 keeping the TB stuck in bathrooms. Overall, it would make D-block fairer and more enjoyable to play as D-class where we wouldn't have to deal with 912 and his constant harassment.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:​

912 players will have less to do but also and have no real purpose for most of the time. Riots would last longer leading to more time and commitment and possibly less time to plan sweeps without 912 being able to prevent and plans from coming to fruition.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:​

I just want to understand the POV's of people who use, play, or deal with 912. But if 912 were to be removed from D-block then it would lead to a more friendly and fair environment for D-class and wouldn't really affect GENSEC's ways of dealing with riots. But this post is to just learn and build upon it.


Thank you for reading this post and if you want to express your opinions leave comments so that I can respond to them, or not.:)
 
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I think the idea of 912 in his current state defies the standing dynamic between foundation and dclass. The fact that he's almost impossible to fight back against leads to brick walls where all combat rp is halted because there's an scp waiting to beat the shit out of you. I rarely see any potential rp with 912, leading to him just being a giant safety net for gensec to use to kill dclass without the risk of dying. I'd be nice to see some change either in the way he's allowed to interact with dclass or just allowing dclass some better methods to resist something with 14k hp...
 
ionboy64 said:
The EON old strategy of shooting and hanging the mf
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/gsd "Sir they're hanging 912 from the catwalk. What do we do"


personally I think how 912 currently acts is fine and doesn't require change but players need to remember, Once his bodymass is low it takes upwards for seconds of coordination to get him restrained and then he's worthless and infact, a potential bargaining chip.
 
Merrick Travolta said:
/gsd "Sir they're hanging 912 from the catwalk. What do we do"


personally I think how 912 currently acts is fine and doesn't require change but players need to remember, Once his bodymass is low it takes upwards for seconds of coordination to get him restrained and then he's worthless and infact, a potential bargaining chip.
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Although this is true it takes much too long to get 912 low enough for that, and he can just go back inside and get Rc'd and gaining all his health back. He's also never used as a bargaining chip as there is no Hostage RP in D-block due to the fact there is nowhere to effectively to hold him. And even when this happens its once in a blue moon and as said before, he gets recovered very quickly.
 
912 is fine where hes at. Disallowing him into inner d block basically destroys his whole purpose of quelling riots before they start.

Why even bother playing 912 at that point, No MTF or GSD want to interact with you unless its against a d class. They just tell you to piss off and they prefer to do it themselves. Your effectively a worser GSD with a bad breach

People need to understand that the CT specifically designed d class to be near impossible to escape but not 100% impossible. You have no keycards no armour no guns on spawn. And your shoot on site Past CDC. D class can cause alot of damage should they get a 914 disguise. So I say 912 is in a perfect spot right now, you either nerf his character to make him pointless, or you do nothing he doesnt need a buff (besides maybe a different weapon On breach)
 
SamPaval said:
912 is fine where hes at. Disallowing him into inner d block basically destroys his whole purpose of quelling riots before they start.

Why even bother playing 912 at that point, No MTF or GSD want to interact with you unless its against a d class. They just tell you to piss off and they prefer to do it themselves. Your effectively a worser GSD with a bad breach

People need to understand that the CT specifically designed d class to be near impossible to escape but not 100% impossible. You have no keycards no armour no guns on spawn. And your shoot on site Past CDC. D class can cause alot of damage should they get a 914 disguise. So I say 912 is in a perfect spot right now, you either nerf his character to make him pointless, or you do nothing he doesnt need a buff (besides maybe a different weapon On breach)
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He wouldn't be useless he can traverse the site as he pleases unless he's needed in D-block, he can hold the airlock without being in inner D-block he's not useless you just won't consider his other uses. No offense though you make good points
 
From my personal experience as a TB, 912 is basically guaranteed death if you lack a C3, and 99% of the time we do. I feel like it could be done in a way where 912 is not allowed to enter Showers, even in a sweep? This would then at least make it so that GSD can prepare a sweep, but doesn't completely screw over any and all opposition and allows the D-Class to still fight back (should they have the means to do so).
 
912 is pretty annoying as D-Class, and I think 912 should always be beamable when he is not breached and doesn't require D-Class to dump useless pistol mags into him.
 
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I think that while 912 use makes sense for riots, I disagree with casual non-riot use of him inside D-Block outside of exceptional circumstances (such as TB) as it feels like it's way too much force and other than 999 I don't understand why you'd have an SCP freely interacting with D-Class in Inner D-Block, but outer and elsewhere is fair game, IMO. I think this can be easily covered for gameplay balance reasons, by specifying that as part of the Realistic Equipment Use rule - But you could also do this via IC policy, which is more flexible and also per-server.

So I'm not in favour of total removal from Inner D-Block, just a regulatory pass.
 
Yeke said:
Have to say as a personal opinion I have seen many times D-class work together and capture 912, just requires a lot of people working together lol
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dump pistol mags into him that do no damage
 
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