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What do we think guys, speed chemicals yay or nay?
I personally dislike them very much so nay from me
I personally dislike them very much so nay from me
Speed Chemicals poll and discussion
- Thread starter Jack Raider / 'Koschei'
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- Jan 8, 2023
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Any chemical that gives an inherent meaningful advantage in combat or in any other situation should be either completely reworked into a system where it's harder for consumption or completely renovated for something only research related.
If CN. Has no further plans to expand the chemical roster I don't see the reasoning behind even keeping it on the server.
If CN. Has no further plans to expand the chemical roster I don't see the reasoning behind even keeping it on the server.
Senior Game Masterlet me drink a drug made of random shit from the chemist that makes me go really really fast with 0 drawback
only if roids were this good
only if roids were this good
I think the chem system can be fun, I like making chems cuz it itches something in my brain and I may also be biased due to being a DoM but.... The main issue is the fact CI abuse the fuck outta the chem system because of the funding they have compared to SOP and MTF. You'll rarely see Foundation use anything besides potent, anima and cortico during codes if I'm honest. I think the chem system is great for roleplay and some of the chems are a genuinely good counter to CI and SCP's who are hunting non-combatives, without them on the server I think it'd be a lot more boring. There just needs to be stricter rulings imo.
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icl twin you are really good at ragebaiting me...
Wait i gonna put my piece, if all speed chemicals get removed i would so fine with that i'm pretty sure like half of the people use them just to match others, the difference between having potent on surface and not having is fucking crazy.
CI makes their own funding. It’s a skill issue that others don’t, I literally worked my ass off daily for weeks in order to get R&D from not having a sales team to the place it is now. Not a single bit of money was ever spawned in for us, unlike foundation which gets upwards of 600k a month from SL
Sorry to say but it’s just a skill issye
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I personally think the speed chems are fine ngl speed chems in my opinion are really accessible to the public with potent costing barely anything if you scavenge and make the materials from scratch.
The funding which you state CI has was built from the pockets of CI players. Members of ARUC (CI Chem Team) put a lot of time into creating these chemicals for the sole reason to gain an advantage, there is nothing stopping Foundation from doing the same there is just a serious lack of effort to do so. Next, I believe I am correct in saying Foundation actually receives funding from SL which could be used to create more chemicals similar to how CI do. Lastly, I think a lot of people, especially on the UK Server, dislike the chemical system only because CI has the advantage in that area. Trying to get a whole system changed just because your faction is lazy and slacks in that area just seems childish.
Honestly, I agree a lot with what you're saying but I still think chems as a whole need a rework, CI just kinda show how cracked it can be if you put the effort in. (I respect the fact they all fund their own stuff, Foundation are just kinda incompetent with funding as a whole even with SL helping...)
I think the reason people want the change is because how well CI uses chemicals. If Foundation had a group of people like ARUC then I genuinely believe that the talk on chemicals would be a whole lot less. CI is a very disliked faction which is where a lot of people gain their thoughts and feelings on what should be changed. I think any major changes to the chemical system would be unjust, I have played before chems and while they are a thing and can truly say that chemicals are such a unique and amazing thing to have which is why I think they should stay. They offer such a wide variety of opportunities during raids or just general combative missions.
Necroposting like crazy but this topic is still relevant; even with Foundation now having a group like ARUC (albeit far weaker when it comes to pure chemical production), it is clear that the "skill issue" doesn't just come from Foundation players not wanting to put the effort in, but also any ARUC-like groups being restricted at every turn.
Foundation despise chemicals because of the combative edge they give to CI. When a department then pops up to give a combative edge to Foundation instead, it is bombarded with bureaucratic obstacles until it either ceases to exist or is weakened considerably.
RCPT currently is worth maybe a tenth of what ARUC is worth and yet it is still criticised as a money farm. Any cool things we try to do with chemicals for funding gets shut down, anything to make it a bigger player in the chemical market gets held back and shot down by whoever is higher in the Chain of Command.
I dunno. I'm just ranting. But I reckon Foundation players would have a lot less trouble fighting CI if a division like RCPT (not just RCPT, other regs as well) was given the tools to expand and provide. Hell, we've tried to do 008 samplings to gather funds to donate hundreds of liters of speed chemicals to MTF and that also keeps getting stopped by the higher-ups.
I hope @Lebronic Ujel and Whitman can hold up the image of RCPT I've been trying to hold up and maybe they'll have better luck growing it than I did as well.
TLDR: F players cry that CI is OP because they shoot themselves in the foot by holding back chemical production.
I'm just gonna take this part but like you said higher ups are stopping you guys of sampling 008 too much for funds which is extremely stupid af icl
also the difference between ARUC and RCPT what I could say is ARUC makes/gives /anima/nhu for free sometimes depending on who asks for it for free to use in a raid to secure victory while we sell most of our AMX/682/008 to fund the money to make potent/tylenol the stuff we pretty much fully give for free which creates an infinite loop of money while RCPT request everyone to pay which ends in only the people with money to have enough to buy the chems like potent and tylenol don't even think nu-7 jugg ever uses Tylenol even and never see people rushing us with nhu or something different
RCPT does give chems for free, we just don't have the pure economic output that ARUC has to keep funding free anima / nhu / potent for departments.I'm just gonna take this part but like you said higher ups are stopping you guys of sampling 008 too much for funds which is extremely stupid af icl
You gotta realise RCPT is currently still far weaker production-wise than ARUC (because there aren't really any big chemical goblins in Foundation as of late), and we can't really get any stronger either without it being shot down by higher ups.
I would absolutely love it if RCPT earned enough money quick enough that we could throw hundreds of thousands worth of chemical at MTF so that breaches and raids get recontained easier, but currently we're stuck at a few handouts a month at most. Also, we sell tylenol at a discount to Nu-7 for that express purpose, but for some reason they just.... don't really buy any tylenol?
If we were given the permission to - as a necessary evil - sample SCP-008 to gather funding, we could likely donate far more to departments. Hell, if an O5 permitted it I could get RCPT almost a million dollars an hour in value, but that's never getting approved. (that 1 million could be turned into ~250L of potent for each MTF btw)