Spy card QoL

[Harry Chich]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Changing how the spy card works in an effort to avoid subconscious metagame.

I have a range of suggestions to add, ranging from less to more dev time. I am not a developer so I am not sure how difficult these are to add.

- When using a spy card, create a new config option which allows you to choose any name as your disguised name. This can be anything (that doesn't break naming convention).



- When taking a disguise, it should save the job and rank that the person is, rather than their entire identity. This would mean it doesn't matter if your disguise target disconnects any longer.

- If at all possible, add your disguise identity to the tab list of the faction/department you are disguising as.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Unsure, but I believe my suggestion adds enough even if this has been suggested before.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
- Less disguise refund sits for staff.

- Cut down on unconscious metagame (I saw 2 people with the same name so I immediately know OOCly there's a DC.)

- When someone's swaps jobs, you won't have the wrong job prefix above your head.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- Dev time, especially for the third suggestion.

- Unforeseen bugs.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
It's about time for disguise cards to be made more user friendly. Daily, there are dozens of disguise refund sits made. This suggestion will significantly cut down on both those sits, as well as metagame sits.

 

[Welper]

Would the person not be able to just impersonate another person? Unless the people who see the disugised know the person with the name isn't on, you could get away with it. This would most probably violate naming conventions, so your alternative is to set a name that nobody has. This means that for certain jobs, people still may subcounsiously metagame, as they know that no such person exists in the department. Basically, it wouldn't work either way.

 

[Harry Chich]

Would the person not be able to just impersonate another person? Unless the people who see the disugised know the person with the name isn't on, you could get away with it. This would most probably violate naming conventions, so your alternative is to set a name that nobody has. This means that for certain jobs, people still may subcounsiously metagame, as they know that no such person exists in the department. Basically, it wouldn't work either way.

Honestly, I think it should be absolutely fine to take someone else's name if your intention IS to impersonate them (with decent RP behind it). The name above your head is meaningless anyway, and shouldn't be used.

 

[Welper]

Honestly, I think it should be absolutely fine to take someone else's name if your intention IS to impersonate them (with decent RP behind it). The name above your head is meaningless anyway, and shouldn't be used.

Shouldn't be used, yet it's used so much that this suggestion was made. The impersonation would also do the exact opposite, making the person feel safe OOC, and therefore would share more info IC than they should (a possibility). It's lose-lose unless all names would be shuffled above the person.

 

[Tylenol Smith]

+support this has been needed only thing I would say is some times u grab disguises quickly and having to type it out might be something u have to do manually later in safe spot

 

[James V]

+support

 

[Harry Chich]

+support this has been needed only thing I would say is some times u grab disguises quickly and having to type it out might be something u have to do manually later in safe spot

It should be a setting that saves, so you won't need to do it every time. It could be through a command like /idconfig.

 

[Doug 'TrippleD']

If I'm correct, there is a lesser known staff command which can already do this but we tend not to as it can bug out some parts of the actual name & bug it after you die and stuff.

Also, CI will 100% abuse this and change their ranks and stuff etc straight after they die. Regular players just cannot be trusted with this imo and its way too risky imo.

 

[Harry Chich]

If I'm correct, there is a lesser known staff command which can already do this but we tend not to as it can bug out some parts of the actual name & bug it after you die and stuff.

Also, CI will 100% abuse this and change their ranks and stuff etc straight after they die. Regular players just cannot be trusted with this imo and its way too risky imo.

What do you mean? How would this be abused?

 

[Doug 'TrippleD']

What do you mean? How would this be abused?

People changing their names or ranks or whatever directly after an interaction would be considered a form of abuse for this, maybe to avoid interaction. If a person disguised as a regular DEA Agent shoots someone, they are noticed then when out of view they change their name to Senior Agent, it seems extremely overpowered and completely unfair for the people looking for the hostile DEA Agent, or does the same thing with an MTF position you can just see how incredibly unfair this is.

I simply could never trust regular players (especially a lot of CI DC's) to not abuse this feature to death. Staff cannot spectate people constantly either.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

This is a little bit like

Denied - Deep Disguise

What does this suggestion change/add/remove: An NPC (or something else) that allows ISD Investigator+ to make a deep disguise, the idea is that you can select a custom name, job & rank. Your loadout will also be completely replaced with the jobs loadout you selected and you will get the custom...

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And to my recollection, there was some suggestion in the past about removing names from above heads? But then no names above head becomes a moderation nightmare.

Less disguise refund sits for staff.

I can sort of see how this can reduce disguise refund sits, but I doubt this is a strong point as to my understanding, most disguise refund sits come from disguises being outright lost because the player being disguised as left the server or similar.

People changing their names or ranks or whatever directly after an interaction would be considered a form of abuse for this, maybe to avoid interaction. If a person disguised as a regular DEA Agent shoots someone, they are noticed then when out of view they change their name to Senior Agent, it seems extremely overpowered and completely unfair for the people looking for the hostile DEA Agent, or does the same thing with an MTF position you can just see how incredibly unfair this is.

I simply could never trust regular players (especially a lot of CI DC's) to not abuse this feature to death. Staff cannot spectate people constantly either.

The humble cooldown:

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Honestly decent points all around, but given everything gone over, I think that so long as it's reasonable to implement this, I don't see any other issue. The idea is good and every non-development related problem raised so far appears to have some form of workable solution IMO.
+Support

 

[MaliciousPacifism]

This has been a frequent issue for both sides, the fact that the disguise card is supposed to be a mimic rather than oh just temporarily dress like them really ruins alot of disguise RP and makes it difficult to do anything once that disguise leaves, IE you are disguise and get undisguise right in the middle of like 8 A1
+Support