Content Suggestion TB Changes... Here we go again!

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Sebastian

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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Remove TB from CI. Or at least REMOVE HEADPOP. The job isn't, per say, overpowered, just unfun to fight against, and this is coming from a TB player.. who does actually enjoy instantly dying from a headpop.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Yep... It isn't different.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):

  1. Restores a lot of player enjoyment in combat and raids. Who enjoys walking into a raid and getting headpopped.
  2. Provides an actual fair fight instead of fighting some fuckass reality bender.
  3. Increases community satisfaction… Who could have guessed making a change that everyone wants makes the community happy?

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
  1. CI players get nerfed, which, let's be real, isn't really a negative.
  2. CI will tend to get stuck in areas more due to the lack of bullet freeze.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
The non-CI community wants it.
 
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Sebastian

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The two servers are so wildly different.. this would impact UK CI so little it's not even noticeable but increase the fun people have fighting CI, but in the US it would cripple them (somehow). This is the reason no big suggestions ever get accepted, the two servers are just way too different.
 
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First, one of your reasoning being CI gets nerfed, which isn't a bad thing by your own words, is down right toxic.

Second, the CI TB on us atleast, is now extremely underused, mainly due to it's nerf. This will just cause either nobody to use TB, or it to be the worst reality bender on the server. It would be a worse combative then a foundation Thaumatologist.

Third, this would be an unnecessary nerf to the TB job. It's headpop is already very limited due to It's energy cost, and the low health pool TB has it isn't effective having to headpop.

This suggestion should be removed immediately, as it is unnecessary and unfair for a job that is so easily countered. All you need is one Scranton and communication.
 
Sebastian

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I would like to quickly put something else into prospective to show how different the two servers are

12 - Minus Supports from the US server
1 - Minus Support from the UK
3 - Supports from the UK

How can we expect anything to be done from suggestions when the two servers are so different? Change will never happen with how it currently functions.
 
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Sebastian said:
I would like to quickly put something else into prospective to show how different the two servers are

11 - Minus Supports from the US server
1 - Minus Support from the UK
3 - Supports from the UK

How can we expect anything to be done from suggestions when the two servers are so different? Change will never happen with how it currently functions.
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content team doesn't go based off this, its stricly ONLY content teams votes that matter

BUT - while you do show some evidence of a split in the servers but it could also just be that one server votes more on suggestions than another etc, this isnt really clear evidence of a clear split.
 
Sebastian

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Sebastian said:
I would like to quickly put something else into prospective to show how different the two servers are

11 - Minus Supports from the US server
1 - Minus Support from the UK
3 - Supports from the UK

How can we expect anything to be done from suggestions when the two servers are so different? Change will never happen with how it currently functions.
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This isn't the only evidence. Look at the Discord even, and you can see the split between the servers. This isn't only a suggestion thing, RP is different, and combat is different. When the US released, synced content it might have worked, but as you can see, the two servers have split away community-wise.
 
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Subject: Response to Suggestion: Removal of TB Headpop Mechanic from CI


Dear Content Team,


I hope this message finds you well. I am writing in regard to the recent suggestion proposing the removal of the "headpop" mechanic from Chaos Insurgency's Type-Blue (TB) role—or the removal of TB altogether. While player feedback is always valuable, this particular proposal reflects a recurring pattern that I believe warrants closer scrutiny before any design decisions are made.

It’s important to acknowledge the regional dynamics behind many of these types of suggestions. This is not the first time we’ve seen a push for CI-related nerfs come primarily from the UK branch, often framed around “unfairness” or “unfun” mechanics. Yet, the same mechanics continue to function without issue in the US branch, where CI units not only perform effectively, but where opposition forces (MTF/NTF) have demonstrably adapted through training, aim, coordination, and chemical synergy.

This disparity in experience likely points to a cultural difference in how challenges are approached. Where one region leans into improvement and tactical development, another tends to seek mechanical intervention and administrator assistance to compensate for performance shortcomings. While every region has its own style of play, gamewide balancing should not cater to one branch's unwillingness to adapt.


The argument that this feature is “unfun to fight against” is subjective and would, if used consistently, justify the removal of almost any mechanic that punishes uncoordinated play. TB’s effectiveness hinges on players not communicating, not preparing, and not adapting. That is a player-side failure, not a design flaw. Additionally, TB can only utilize the headpop on one target at a time, with a long cooldown.



Broader Implications​


Implementing this suggestion would further the precedent, created by the monopoly of the UK server over content and rule changes, where mechanics are stripped not for imbalance, but for the frustration they cause those unwilling to grow past them. This is a slippery slope.


  • UK MTF's persistent struggle against CI appears less rooted in mechanical imbalance and more in a lack of internal cohesion, strategic evolution, and development of necessary combat skills. These are solvable problems—but only if there's a willingness to address them at the player level rather than utilizing development influence to weaken opponents.
  • The US branch's success in countering TB shows that the mechanic can be countered by utilizing coordination and improvement of crucial skills (i.e., aim, communication, equipment usage). Instead of removing the challenge, the community should be encouraged to meet it.


Conclusion​


While the desire for a more “fun” experience is understandable, “fun” cannot come at the expense of depth and challenge. The TB headpop mechanic is one of several that contribute to a more dynamic, rewarding combat system. Removing it based on region-specific frustration sends the wrong message: that performance issues should be resolved by lowering the ceiling, not raising the standard, even if it appears to be an issue only with one subset of players that tend to have lower overall combat skill.


I respectfully urge the development team to reject this suggestion, and instead consider initiatives to foster better training, communication, and strategy among underperforming factions—particularly where those improvements are already proven effective elsewhere.


Thank you for your time and continued work.


Sincerely,

Stee Ven
 
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