Denied Team HUD for MTF/GOI

[Kevin Ki]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
[Add a type of team HUD system for MTFs, allowing players to invite people in their MTF into a squad type system, giving a HUD showing their position/status for HP]

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
[Yes, but I believe the server since then has changed a lot with the introduction of TB, and SCPs.]

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
[Allows player to form smaller groups allowing better communication during stressful situations so it isn't just a screaming match of info
Allows better group recognition and tactics.
Adds more ability to improve RP of being an elite task force]

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
[Gets a little harder to kidnap people/assassinate people]

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
[I feel it will add a little more immersion to being an elite group of combative and wouldn't be too hard to implement, all groups would gain from this addition equally, not favoring any GOI over the other. If not MTF/GOIs this could at least be added to ERT]

 

[Sceptre]

-Support
I don't see the point in this and it seems to introduce an additional way of metagaming

 

[Brayan "Jim" Murry]

-support
No point

 

[fyzar]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
[Add a type of team HUD system for MTFs, allowing players to invite people in their MTF into a squad type system, giving a HUD showing their position/status for HP]

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
[Yes, but I believe the server since then has changed a lot with the introduction of TB, and SCPs.]

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
[Allows player to form smaller groups allowing better communication during stressful situations so it isn't just a screaming match of info
Allows better group recognition and tactics.
Adds more ability to improve RP of being an elite task force]

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
[Gets a little harder to kidnap people/assassinate people]

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
[I feel it will add a little more immersion to being an elite group of combative and wouldn't be too hard to implement, all groups would gain from this addition equally, not favoring any GOI over the other. If not MTF/GOIs this could at least be added to ERT]

this just sounds like a fireteam thats a bit too overpowered

 

[Kevin Ki]

-Support
I don't see the point in this and it seems to introduce an additional way of metagaming

Brother TS and Discord exist. If someone is gonna be a loser and metagame they're going to do it now.

-support
No point

I feel it's more a small QOL, and the server severely needs more QOL content to give more immersion. In my honest opinion the reason people don't RP as much as they do is the server is missing some of the small RP stuff that allows a bit more immersion.

this just sounds like a fireteam thats a bit too overpowered

You'll have to explain a little bit more, I don't understand.

 

[Sceptre]

Brother TS and Discord exist. If someone is gonna be a loser and metagame they're going to do it now.

ok guys lets add more ways to metagame and infact encourage metagaming by adding it as a feature???

 

[fyzar]

You'll have to explain a little bit more, I don't understand.

Its a thing on MRP, basically a little squad up to 6 people and you can spawn on rally markers, you can get outlines of nearby members

TL;DR ERT hud at the left without being able to invite, create or have teammate ESP

 

["Fang"]

+Massive Support
This is a great idea that would make teamwork much easier in MTF's however some changes should be made if this is implemented:
-Location should be limited.
(Seeing your squad mates location across the entire map is very unbalanced and should obviously not be implemented with unlimited range)
- Include DEA.
(DEA would also greatly benefit from this as a part of SOP)

 

[Kevin Ki]

ok guys lets add more ways to metagame and infact encourage metagaming by adding it as a feature???

No I'm saying this won't be adding anything people aren't metagaming already.

Its a thing on MRP, basically a little squad up to 6 people and you can spawn on rally markers, you can get outlines of nearby members

TL;DR ERT hud at the left without being able to invite, create or have teammate ESP

Yeah but obviously we won't have the spawn point/rally markers. But with it being a thing already, there shouldn't be issue with adding it to SCP-RP with small changes/balances.

+Massive Support
This is a great idea that would make teamwork much easier in MTF's however some changes should be made if this is implemented:
-Location should be limited.
(Seeing your squad mates location across the entire map is very unbalanced and should obviously not be implemented with unlimited range)
- Include DEA.
(DEA would also greatly benefit from this as a part of SOP)

Makes sense. When it comes to balancing I try to leave it up to Dev team to decide what's necessary, but that's a great idea.

 

[Sceptre]

No I'm saying this won't be adding anything people aren't metagaming already.

that logic is horrid - does this mean we should add methods for people to metagame all because there are other ways to metagame??

 

[Emilia Foddg]

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
[Yes, but I believe the server since then has changed a lot with the introduction of TB, and SCPs.]

While I can't find the thread, I distinctly recall the discussion we had - This is essentially a direct re-opening of that idea 1:1. You claim that the idea is justified by how the server has changed since it was discussed before, but you seem to be neglecting the discussion that was had and offer no substantial counterpoint to the past suggestion's denial reason, which to my recollection regarded capability to metagame and unsuitability for the server overall. Furthermore, I don't think that the way the server has changed since, reasonably contributes to any reasoning as to why this should be accepted, compared to when it was proposed before.

I personally think the idea itself is interesting and if diegetically implementable by way of using a new inanimate SCP to facilitate this functionality, rather than having it be inherent to all MTF (Or even just limit it to E-11 for the express purpose of cracking down harder on how hard breaches disrupt the server), it could be workable? But even then, unless it could serve to meaningfully address extant server concerns (Such as with the aforementioned breach issues), I don't think it could or should be a priority. I don't see this being accepted, but good luck.
-/+ Neutral

 

[Kevin Ki]

that logic is horrid - does this mean we should add methods for people to metagame all because there are other ways to metagame??

No, the issue is you're focusing on the fact people can break rules, when this doesn't add anymore to that issue than anything else already does. People will still insist they comm'd out the TB that killed them in half a second in their TS, this won't add anymore to the issue than anything else does. Which is kind of why they deny any suggestion to remove external comms, just because some losers COULD misuse something, doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer for it.

Using your own logic, we shouldn't add more SCPs because they could be used to failrp, we shouldn't allow research because someone may fail breach 035, we shouldn't allow guns because someone may massrdm, we should get rid of teamspeak because people may metagame on it, etc. The reason we do anyway is because these things add to the overall gameplay and server experience, to an enjoyable degree.

My end point is, we shouldn't be denied content because of a few bad actors, if we were, then the server will get pretty boring. Which it has, which is why the player count is down.

 

[Sceptre]

Why should we add a healthbar for teammates when you can't even use it..?

 

[Kevin Ki]

Why should we add a healthbar for teammates when you can't even use it..?

You can tell someone is injured. Also, you can use it on ERT.

 

[Sceptre]

You can tell someone is injured. Also, you can use it on ERT.

You can't tell when your friendlies are injured from across the map or through walls, though?
ERT having it is a completely different point - you forget that this is a randomly selected group of 9 people at a time when the server is on the verge of shitting itself from an SCP breach, not a day-to-day regiment.

 

[Biscuits]

we have this on mrp and it causes no issues

 

[Kevin Ki]

You can't tell when your friendlies are injured from across the map or through walls, though?

The ERT comment was to "add a health bar" it already exist
You can tell someone was injured was to the "You can't use it"

Unless I misunderstood your message.

 

[Niox]

what

 

[Betriv]

+support

 

[fyzar]

You can't tell when your friendlies are injured from across the map or through walls, though?

it shows if you are bleeding, your hp on a bar and if you are dead/downed, doesnt matter how far away you are