The Flawed Relationship between G.O.C. and the Foundation

Jul 27, 2024
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There exists an extremely flawed relationship between the G.O.C. and the Foundation where seemingly the G.O.C. is being often taken advantage of by the Foundation.

You must understand the very intentionally designed flaws in the relationship, as the G.O.C. and Foundation have conflicting messages, yet the G.O.C. is agreeable because they're not savages like C.I.

First, we'll establish the following truths from what I've noticed talking with the G.O.C. and being in Site Administration.

  1. By design, the Foundation's offensive surface operations capability isn't nearly as effective as the G.O.C. Is this the fault of D.E.A. and Nu-7? No. We live in a bunker, we're going to always have a disadvantage whenever we try to perform surface operations. The G.O.C. and C.I. naturally have a significant advantage as they've been buffed (for good reason) and they're literally right on the surface.
  2. The G.O.C. doesn't need the sampling permissions from the Foundation as of November 2024. Yes, you heard me, they don't. Why? I've been told many times that G.O.C. has a stockpile of samples and whenever they're going to need or want more, they just do an assessment raid to grab the samples. Out of 36 assessment raids in the past month of October 2024, only a single one has been detected by the Foundation according to my source in the G.O.C.
  3. The G.O.C. sees the Foundation more of a nuisance than an actual threat to their organization. The Foundation is never going to become hostile with the G.O.C., but if they did, the G.O.C. would be in a very comfortable position. Simply, the G.O.C. doesn't want to engage with the Foundation on surface as it would become very annoying and disruptive to their every day operations on surface.
  4. The G.O.C. would rather engage in espionage-based conflict than direct conflict. They'd rather get in and get out undetected. They don't need to be feared, they just need to get what they want done in the Foundation and get out. If they get detected, they'll just play the political game.
  5. The G.O.C. sees Site Administration as an obstacle that they must either workaround and slowly erode. Site Administration is the only people on-site who regularly deal with the G.O.C. and by extension are the single biggest ally and threat to the G.O.C. They're the ones who keep them "accountable".
  6. The Foundation needs the G.O.C. to be allied with them, otherwise a C.I. and G.O.C. alliance would be simply terrifying and make our surface operation capabilities nearly non-existent.
  7. The G.O.C. doesn't need the Foundation, but it's very preferable that they'd remain on good terms with them. Without the Foundation, the G.O.C. is left in a very difficult position as they'd be an outlier on surface and would have to bind themselves to another organization like C.I. which is simply just not desirable.
So, this led me to ask the question, why does the G.O.C. care about the Foundation so much? They're not reliant on us whatsoever.

Purpose. The G.O.C. and C.I.'s missions simply just don't align. They could ignite an alliance based on mutual hatred of the Foundation, but that's unlikely.

The G.O.C. needs the Foundation to be in a productive alliance, otherwise the G.O.C. would be alone on the surface in terms of what their ideology is.

The G.O.C.'s mission and values aligns closest with the Foundation. They'd much rather have a partner than just do it alone.

So, what does this mean? What action should we take?

I am specifically looking at you Site Administration.

You don't have much of a vice on the G.O.C. as you may think you do. Sanctions have never worked and will not work, they're simply just a reflection of tensions between the G.O.C. and the Foundation. It’s simply a gauge of how pissed we are at them.

It's better just to manage our alliance with the G.O.C. very closely and appease them without sacrificing our own values and mission. They want nothing more than peace between our two respective factions. Keep it that way.

The current system of espionage behind the scenes and no direct conflict is much more preferable than an all out war; it's the most productive.

Respect the G.O.C. and by extension they'll respect us. They're very agreeable people.
 
By design, the Foundation's offensive surface operations capability isn't nearly as effective as the G.O.C. Is this the fault of D.E.A. and Nu-7? No. We live in a bunker, we're going to always have a disadvantage whenever we try to perform surface operations. The G.O.C. and C.I. naturally have a significant advantage as they've been buffed (for good reason) and they're literally right on the surface.
I do have to say, that Foundation out of all the GOI's is the most campable.

Sure, GOC have a small bump in front of their base, CI have Hillhouse towering over them and the top of their base, but Foundation? They're in a fucking ditch. Shit's bad for them, getting out of that little area is tough.

The G.O.C. would rather engage in espionage-based conflict than direct conflict. They'd rather get in and get out undetected. They don't need to be feared, they just need to get what they want done in the Foundation and get out. If they get detected, they'll just play the political game.
I would see this as good honestly. It's a much better approach, as rather than all out just combat, it can result in internal investigations to try and bust the GOC, rather than just straight up going "yo why did you shoot us" then calling it war.

From what I've heard about US, the amount of GOC x F wars are lackluster, but at least on the UK, espionage first is better in my opinion.

It's better just to manage our alliance with the G.O.C. very closely and appease them without sacrificing our own values and mission. They want nothing more than peace between our two respective factions. Keep it that way.

The current system of espionage behind the scenes and no direct conflict is much more preferable than an all out war; it's the most productive.
I have to say - This is stupidly boring. GOC's main gimmick to me as always been relations - It's why you would join it over something like RSD, E-11 or CI. If there's no change in relations, and you're completely willing to turn a blind eye, that's lame, bland and boring. Sure it shouldn't become all out war, but it should have something happen rather than just ignoring it yknow?
 
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I do have to say, that Foundation out of all the GOI's is the most campable.

Sure, GOC have a small bump in front of their base, CI have Hillhouse towering over them and the top of their base, but Foundation? They're in a fucking ditch. Shit's bad for them, getting out of that little area is tough.


I would see this as good honestly. It's a much better approach, as rather than all out just combat, it can result in internal investigations to try and bust the GOC, rather than just straight up going "yo why did you shoot us" then calling it war.

From what I've heard about US, the amount of GOC x F wars are lackluster, but at least on the UK, espionage first is better in my opinion.


I have to say - This is stupidly boring. GOC's main gimmick to me as always been relations - It's why you would join it over something like RSD, E-11 or CI. If there's no change in relations, and you're completely willing to turn a blind eye, that's lame, bland and boring. Sure it shouldn't become all out war, but it should have something happen rather than just ignoring it yknow?
Site Admin's bureaucracy killed the interesting part of the G.O.C.

Really the only Foundation interactions I see with the G.O.C. is just combative aid.

Medical is starting to revamp their relations with the G.O.C. but still nothing solid has come out yet.

Stability between the two factions in terms of relations is necessary to ensure that passive rp between departments and GOC maintains stable. Otherwise, Site Admin is going to use the relationships between various departments and the GOC as leverage and a bargaining chip, sad but true.

(US SPECIFIC BTW)
 
Site Admin's bureaucracy killed the interesting part of the G.O.C.

Really the only Foundation interactions I see with the G.O.C. is just combative aid.

Medical is starting to revamp their relations with the G.O.C. but still nothing solid has come out yet.

Stability between the two factions in terms of relations is necessary to ensure that passive rp between departments and GOC maintains stable. Otherwise, Site Admin is going to use the relationships between various departments and the GOC as leverage and a bargaining chip, sad but true.
This is likely a US and UK split, but realistically you should be able to conduct passive RP without the GOC. Having them along would be fun and cool yeah, but it isn't a necessity. Actions should still have consequences.

As for SA, bwomp bwomp : (