Third Person peak detection

Raptor_Kalan

Civil Gamers Expert
Mar 14, 2025
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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:

2 Things possibly.

- An alert system for anyone using a Bind to change between 1st and 3rd person, there should be no reason for someone to need to switch between third person and First person that fast, just use the C menu and click 1 button if you're Larping.
- Alternative to that above, just ban binding Third person, its obvious people who use it only have it to abuse Third person peaking.

- A secondary System placed to force First person while in combat. If someone is shot at or starts firing their weapon it should immediately force them into first person and have a 60 second timer you must wait outside of combat in order to Re-use Third person. Such like how holstering weapons requires you to be out of combat for 60 seconds, this has the same effect.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:

It has not been suggested before.


Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):

- Third person peaking in combat becomes impossible.
- Fights become a lot more equal and no-one abusing their cover can use a Bind to just peak around for even a second to make a nasty shot then look right at the wall.
- Its not as invasive as just removing it entirely, its more just putting a cap on to make sure it cannot be abused, a cap which cannot be circumvented.
- Staff will no longer need to intervein and watch through clips of people staring at walls or the ground to decide if they're third person peaking or not.



Possible Negatives of the suggestion:

- PVP mains will suddenly become a bit worse at PVP no longer being able to abuse their special weapon.
- No other downsides.


Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:

- PVP with people such as CI and A1/O1 shows that pretty much everyone abuses Third person in order to score another kill, often using it to locate people and sneak in a shot where they shouldn't have seen them without making the extension.
- Third person peaking is already banned but its been shown time and time again people still abuse its capabilities.
- Players in chat often tell each other how to Bind third person to their mouse or an easily accessible key.


- The suggestion makes it a clear and definitive way to eliminate Third person peaking from PVP entirely, possibly tweaking around with the timing from 60 seconds to lower but the overall message should be clear to make it impossible to even use Third person while in direct combat.

- Staff are also often busy or unable to respond fast enough to spectate every fight, often at times also missing people using third person, leading to no punishments being dealt to those so confident to abuse it.
- Adding this suggestion could also eliminate Staffs need to interveen in such matters further, without restricting Larpers in their Third person capabilities.



Extra Notes
- This suggestion is likely going to get -Supported into the ground by PVP'ers on the server
- But I want every single person who -Supports this to know this has no actual downsides.
- Anyone who actually wants against this suggestion obviously abuses this system anyways so why show yourself and be obvious about it
 
Two things here:

- Alternative to that above, just ban binding Third person, its obvious people who use it only have it to abuse Third person peaking.

This is not true at all - For example, I use it as a bind because I am far too lazy to open that menu every time...

- A secondary System placed to force First person while in combat.

We've forced first person for C1 and C5s previously to immence community backlash so I highly doubt this would want to be explored again even in this capacity.
 
We've forced first person for C1 and C5s previously to immence community backlash so I highly doubt this would want to be explored again even in this capacity.
to be fair, that attempt was fundamentally flawed because people were able to control when it got applied.
False codes could be called by anyone and affected the entire server, people stopped calling codes because of the annoyance, all players got locked out of third person regardless of where they were and what they were doing

There are definitely better ways that could’ve been done, the last attempt was not a good one.
 
Nice suggetion but i got to still speak my opinion:
- An alert system for anyone using a Bind to change between 1st and 3rd person, there should be no reason for someone to need to switch between third person and First person that fast, just use the C menu and click 1 button if you're Larping.
- Alternative to that above, just ban binding Third person, its obvious people who use it only have it to abuse Third person peaking.
Then people would still third person peak but via C menu? Like i never used third person bind since i have C menu, you would stil have people third person peaking but slower since they will have to use C menu which is never laggy for me.

- A secondary System placed to force First person while in combat. If someone is shot at or starts firing their weapon it should immediately force them into first person and have a 60 second timer you must wait outside of combat in order to Re-use Third person. Such like how holstering weapons requires you to be out of combat for 60 seconds, this has the same effect.
What if someone stabs you or you use your knife? Would it count to it or not?

- PVP with people such as CI and A1/O1 shows that pretty much everyone abuses Third person in order to score another kill, often using it to locate people and sneak in a shot where they shouldn't have seen them without making the extension.
UNGOC, NU-7, GSD, CM, E-11 and hell let's say all combatives abuse third person bind/peaking. You are just nitpicking factions/regs that you hate, look on bigger picture and not on factions/regs that are well known for being not good looking in this community.

- This suggestion is likely going to get -Supported into the ground by PVP'ers on the server
- But I want every single person who -Supports this to know this has no actual downsides.
So you saying that if someone gives the good and long answer/reason on their -Support. You would brush them off as PVPer? Come on not gonna point finger at ya but you need to control your ego.






Now my overall opinion on this:
=Neutral leading to -Support

While third person peaking is big problem yes but why would need a system that just alerts people to not third person? If it just alerts and meant to just send logs to staff then im fine, however if it a auto ban system then i have a problem.
 
- Support

Although I do agree third person peaking is a problem, I do not think these should be put in place. Overall just reduces QoL (Like taking away a bind??)

For the other systems suggested, what would happen before the combat? You could still third person peak, all this is doing is making it so when they shoot they are in first person, which everyone fights in anyways.
 
-support
Lemme start by saying if you 3rd person peek your a bitch and there is no way around it.
Now lemme say the "when shot you get forced into first person" is a bad idea for 2 reasons. 1. Larpers shot by CI want to be in 3rd person not to cheat but because larp and to have to go into the context menu to reenable it would be tedious at best. 2. YOU yes YOU would be pissed because instantly going from 3rd to 1st is disorienting and with the servers half a second TTK it would be hard to balance.

should there be a way to prevent it maybe so im not to say I don't find it to be an issue though and think this a a cope suggestion. Either adapt or stupe to their level.
 
to be fair, that attempt was fundamentally flawed because people were able to control when it got applied.
False codes could be called by anyone and affected the entire server, people stopped calling codes because of the annoyance, all players got locked out of third person regardless of where they were and what they were doing

There are definitely better ways that could’ve been done, the last attempt was not a good one.
Possibly the truest sentences about that whole thing ever uttered?

It was fundamentally one of the best ideas the server had but I agree entirely with you that it wasn't done right because tying it to the code system meant people definitely trolled it just to annoy people (which cascades into people hating the idea and thus demanding it be reverted). Do it right and you'll honestly see a correlated increase in RP because it's widely known at this point that many people in raids TPA but it's near impossible to catch without constant clips and staff reviews, so this honestly will make chokehold situations less shit, which was really always my biggest gripe with raids in general.

+Support but more to the idea of banning Third Person in certain situations instead of a detection system.