Third Person peak detection

[Raptor_Kalan]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:

2 Things possibly.

- An alert system for anyone using a Bind to change between 1st and 3rd person, there should be no reason for someone to need to switch between third person and First person that fast, just use the C menu and click 1 button if you're Larping.
- Alternative to that above, just ban binding Third person, its obvious people who use it only have it to abuse Third person peaking.

- A secondary System placed to force First person while in combat. If someone is shot at or starts firing their weapon it should immediately force them into first person and have a 60 second timer you must wait outside of combat in order to Re-use Third person. Such like how holstering weapons requires you to be out of combat for 60 seconds, this has the same effect.

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:

It has not been suggested before.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):

- Third person peaking in combat becomes impossible.
- Fights become a lot more equal and no-one abusing their cover can use a Bind to just peak around for even a second to make a nasty shot then look right at the wall.
- Its not as invasive as just removing it entirely, its more just putting a cap on to make sure it cannot be abused, a cap which cannot be circumvented.
- Staff will no longer need to intervein and watch through clips of people staring at walls or the ground to decide if they're third person peaking or not.


Possible Negatives of the suggestion:

- PVP mains will suddenly become a bit worse at PVP no longer being able to abuse their special weapon.
- No other downsides.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:

- PVP with people such as CI and A1/O1 shows that pretty much everyone abuses Third person in order to score another kill, often using it to locate people and sneak in a shot where they shouldn't have seen them without making the extension.
- Third person peaking is already banned but its been shown time and time again people still abuse its capabilities.
- Players in chat often tell each other how to Bind third person to their mouse or an easily accessible key.

- The suggestion makes it a clear and definitive way to eliminate Third person peaking from PVP entirely, possibly tweaking around with the timing from 60 seconds to lower but the overall message should be clear to make it impossible to even use Third person while in direct combat.

- Staff are also often busy or unable to respond fast enough to spectate every fight, often at times also missing people using third person, leading to no punishments being dealt to those so confident to abuse it.
- Adding this suggestion could also eliminate Staffs need to interveen in such matters further, without restricting Larpers in their Third person capabilities.


Extra Notes
- This suggestion is likely going to get -Supported into the ground by PVP'ers on the server
- But I want every single person who -Supports this to know this has no actual downsides.
- Anyone who actually wants against this suggestion obviously abuses this system anyways so why show yourself and be obvious about it

 

[Starling6]

hot take,

make everyone play in 3rd person with no third person peeking rules

- support though

hate the idea of third person being disabled, even with the downsides of third person peaking

 

[Hailie 'Lyraa' Deegan]

what if i spam third person because im bored? Will that blow up the log?

I do this. It most likely would break the log, too...

 

[Evan]

-Support

Third person peeking is a problem, but this isn’t a good solution. Logs would get clogged up and forcing people into first person is not the best. Some people genuinely play in 3rd person which forces them to play in a different way. Also, you only mention AO and CI most likely cause you’re just looking at regiments you don’t like but it’s really all the regiments. There’s not a regiment in the server that doesn’t have at least one third person peeker.

 

[Avery Snow]

When Third Person was disabled during codes, it was really annoying. Let's never do that again.
As far as other implementation goes, the only one that wouldn't be potentially obstructive is what

ArcherOfLegend said.​

Food for thought, why not do what Apex Legends did with third person detection? I am not TOO familiar with how it works but the idea is that if you ever go into third person via emoting, you would not be able to see anyone that isn't in your direct LOS

As far as what the OP suggested:

- An alert system for anyone using a Bind to change between 1st and 3rd person, there should be no reason for someone to need to switch between third person and First person that fast, just use the C menu and click 1 button if you're Larping.
- Alternative to that above, just ban binding Third person, its obvious people who use it only have it to abuse Third person peaking.

It's a convenience thing, getting rid of QOL because of some people tryharding PVP on a RP server is a bad move. -Support

- A secondary System placed to force First person while in combat. If someone is shot at or starts firing their weapon it should immediately force them into first person and have a 60 second timer you must wait outside of combat in order to Re-use Third person. Such like how holstering weapons requires you to be out of combat for 60 seconds, this has the same effect.

+/- Neutral
Truth be told people third person peeking in combat hasn't even crossed my mind, I've always just stayed in first person during combat.
If this is truly a problem a system would be needed to prevent abuse, this section has the potential to address this. At the cost of the people who do combat in third person.

 

[Raptor_Kalan]

Combing through the Idea's and overal PVP mains Coping by spamming -support I got many things out of it

1. With tanks and Vehicles its not you getting damaged so I lowkey forgot about that part, However Third person peaking EVEN IN VEHICLES is not allowed either, and with Vehicles its an even further reach with Third person, so yes this could apply, though I can see why it might possibly not get applied.
+ Support for the Interesting Thought

2. Too lazy to Hold C and Press 1 Button, so you Condense it down to 1 Button.... Mind Blown.
- Support, Dumb reasoning, and the Laziness from a Super admin

2.1 As Auburn said, your first attempt was Completely Flawed and yes people didn't like it, however this won't be forced on everyone during codes or fighting, just the combatives fighting each other, you can still Larp and roam around just don't get shot.
+ Support for Auburn, Thankyou for using your brain.

3. First idea with the Detection, Yall didn't read, the system itself would only pick up if you were actively IN combat. yall loved spamming saying it like just spamming it randomly around the facility would trigger it out of combat Lmao.
- Support for not even reading

4. I think doing what Apex legends did will require a damned amount of Code to make it work and we already have issues where you can accidentally View 096 through walls so it might cause just a few issues. However Good suggestion thankyou for the actual input on the Idea!
+ Support for the interesting idea for implementation!

5. Yes that's what i'm saying, When getting shot at or actively shooting it should place you in first person so that you cannot physically change to Third person, maybe you would hide and take cover but thats ample time for someone who abuses third person to use it and see when their attacker is coming. Thankyou for your input and Echoing what I have said
+ Support for Agreeing!

6. Previous way this was done was flawed yes, however let me enlighten you on how things work, if a pipe is leaking and your first attempt to fix it fails, do you just let it keep leaking? or do you find a different approach and come at it again?
- Support for your dumb reasoning.

7. Its not really finding Excuses for losing in combat. I know i'm shit at combat, Hell there are multiple clips of me mag dumping people and still losing, however I'm not the only person who complains about Third person peaking. The fact you said its a Cope because I specifically lose only shows your insecurity with losing this ability, way to call yourself out Lmao
- Support cuz this would give people LESS excuses to say why they lost

8. Yes it is indeed a Very real problem and does need some way to prevent people from abusing it. I presume there probably won't be a Detection system TBH since it will be difficult to code in and be very annoying however its still an Idea at least
+/- Support - Evil Bind user

9. Love it when people don't read, C menu would also be disabled for that 60 seconds until you're out of combat, Literally said it in the lines below the ones you Quoted.

9.1. If you get stabbed then Maybe, the type of damage might be tweaked just to see which ones are necessary and not necessary, tagging it onto the LAV's and vehicles idea in 1.0 It might be beneficial or have situations where third person might be a good idea.

9.2 I wasn't nitpicking factions I was merely stating "Such as" since they are the main PVP factions, I have seen very few reports of Nu7 actually abusing third person peaking, however I have caught all 3 of the factions I have stated abusing third person peaking by blatantly looking at walls next to corners or behind crates while strafing back and forth before pre-firing someone right as they peak. Another However here, I have indeed caught other factions such as ISD, GSD and E-11 abusing said system, however Much MUCH less than those main 3.

9.3. Actually pretty much Yes, as shown above I've just debunked everyone's reasoning so far, If you - Support a much needed change to the server for the Dumbest reason's i'm going to call you out on it and make you look like a fool by hitting you with cold reasoning, just look at 6.0

9.4 Pointing the finger at me saying I have an Ego just because I made a valid point says more about yourself than it does about me, I made a good suggestion with no actual downsides, Yes it might have needed to be Fleshed out a little bit however I haven't shown "Ego" as much as you say I have, Do better, be more positive.

9.5 there wouldn't be a full on Banning system, I'm just saying Ban the USE of those binds, like tell people not to use them and if they do, well make sure its not in combat.
- Support for making me type all that for your dumb reasons.

10. Implementing this system would NOT reduce the QoL and that's just rubbish, Implementing this system would not Lower your FPS or hinder your Larp in any way besides PVP where it forces you to play Fair, since as you said, you should be fighting in First person anyways. you solved your own issue with it.
10.1. Yeah you Could Third person peak before combat however if you have a suggestion for that then Let me know.
- Support, tryna say it'll hinder your QoL like GOC doesn't PAC bomb the server every time they get on

11. Yes the original system I heard was a failure and thankyou for seeing the issue at hand, I do hope this gets added so we can move to a more fair and balanced PVP initiative.
+ Support for Agreeing!

12. Yeah I probably will still lose however it makes the game more fair for aspiring PVP'ers who don't abuse the Third person system
- Support for the Toxicity

13. "Legitimately the worst suggestion I've ever seen." My guy, you didn't even read, you have to be in Combat for the detection system to flag it, why would you be bored running through corridors while in active combat?
- Support, Didnt even read

14. Going from Third to First person isn't a "Disorienting" in any way. I get that you like third person but that's a Huge Cope if I've ever seen one. if you get Disoriented from changing between first and third person go see a doctor since you'll have the worst motion sickness I've ever heard of. Try not to Exaggerate things because you want your 3rd person PVP. Secondly the server's TTK won't be an issue because it'll be tied to the first Hit you receive, meaning it'll be an Instant transition, There's no lag in a system that is Server sided, but Ik what you mean. Changing yourself takes half a second, however on server side it will be INSTANT and will show on your screen Instantly.


14.1. Calling this a Cope suggestion doesn't make any sense, bro I know I'm shit, I know I'm still prolly gonna lose, but its a fix to the whole problem, I never abuse it so I don't see any issues with it, but hey telling me to either Adapt or even Start abusing it myself is just Low bro, seriously couldn't think of anything more positive.
- Support, Dumb reasoning or perhaps not understanding Server side Inputs from Client side input speeds. also its a cope Comment from you lmao.

15. Thankyou Cade, Just cuz the previous plan failed doesn't mean you don't stop trying to fix it, it is Broken so we need it patched. and Yeah if anything I'd prolly drop the detection system and just go with the Removal of the ability to use Third person while in combat.
+ Support for agreeing and sheading light on previous situations.

16. No we will not be just letting people abuse Third person, it is indeed a very big issue and it makes it unfair onto those who either don't have the bind, it allows you to peak around walls where people can't see you and its heavily unrealistic.
- Support, Troll comment

17. Again only in combat, love it when people don't read
- Support, read the suggestion

18. Thankyou for Agreeing and yes it is quite the problem, especially when its being abused during raids where Ci or another faction are using it in tandom with Energy weapons which already have a Very low spread when fired from the hip, causing them to just peak around corners in third person, take a head off, return around the corner and repeat while getting healed.
+/- Support, Removing the Bind just makes people have to click 2 buttons, everything else Agreed and yes it is a problem.

Christ that was a lot to Type, TLDR Debunking every main point, it is still a good suggestion just some people are having to Cope with the fact someone is finally standing up and making this suggestion. I don't mean to be rude but you've been provided the same attitude you pointed towards me in your comments. This system is needed and again, i know i'm shit at PVP, yall just need to cope with the fact you'll be a little worse at PVP now too.

Thankyou for all of your Comments and lets see what the Devs think of the idea.

Edit:
Just learned there was a second page oh lord.

 

[Yoyo]

ragebait successful?
cope

 

['Mosasaur']

Sounds like a MASSIVE skill issue

 

[Rook]

-Support this is just pure cope and highkey a skill issue 3p will forever be an "issue."

 

[Betriv]

-support
skill issue just kill them before they kill you

 

[Poisoned Arrow]

icl, its almost like the old force 3rd person bind removed through the code: 1 and etc. happened around 2024-2025 ish? people found it annoying so as did staff.

even if it did got accepted, complaints about this will pile up within days. Hell even hours.
im not sure where your answers gonna be since almost all of the peeps, maybe staff aswell does not like this idea..
even for the alert system, it will pile up in logs and will become annoying
-Support

 

[Driver]

-support

hi raptor, i know you made this suggestion because of me or probably some other ci, you go around and tell people i third person abuse and i dont play fair, which is not very nice! if you would know how combat works on this server you would understand that third person abusing can only be done in very specific scenarios, otherwise it will just not help you but even make it harder for you to line up your shots and hit your enemy.

unless you have a head glitch (on surface) there is no real scenario where you can actually third person abuse in your advantage.

if staff do implement one of your systems it will harm other players that dont even intend to third person abuse, for example i go in third person and look down so i can pull the fog and see better in the distance. this is not third person abuse!! you can do it in first person aswell but i prefer to do it in third person.

as people already mentioned, this was once implemented with code 1 and 5 and let me tell you people did not like that at all. let people play the game however they want and if they break the rules then make a player report on them. remember this is a game and we all should have fun on it.

 

[Broda]

Combing through the Idea's and overal PVP mains Coping by spamming -support I got many things out of it

1. With tanks and Vehicles its not you getting damaged so I lowkey forgot about that part, However Third person peaking EVEN IN VEHICLES is not allowed either, and with Vehicles its an even further reach with Third person, so yes this could apply, though I can see why it might possibly not get applied.
+ Support for the Interesting Thought

2. Too lazy to Hold C and Press 1 Button, so you Condense it down to 1 Button.... Mind Blown.
- Support, Dumb reasoning, and the Laziness from a Super admin

2.1 As Auburn said, your first attempt was Completely Flawed and yes people didn't like it, however this won't be forced on everyone during codes or fighting, just the combatives fighting each other, you can still Larp and roam around just don't get shot.
+ Support for Auburn, Thankyou for using your brain.

3. First idea with the Detection, Yall didn't read, the system itself would only pick up if you were actively IN combat. yall loved spamming saying it like just spamming it randomly around the facility would trigger it out of combat Lmao.
- Support for not even reading

4. I think doing what Apex legends did will require a damned amount of Code to make it work and we already have issues where you can accidentally View 096 through walls so it might cause just a few issues. However Good suggestion thankyou for the actual input on the Idea!
+ Support for the interesting idea for implementation!

5. Yes that's what i'm saying, When getting shot at or actively shooting it should place you in first person so that you cannot physically change to Third person, maybe you would hide and take cover but thats ample time for someone who abuses third person to use it and see when their attacker is coming. Thankyou for your input and Echoing what I have said
+ Support for Agreeing!

6. Previous way this was done was flawed yes, however let me enlighten you on how things work, if a pipe is leaking and your first attempt to fix it fails, do you just let it keep leaking? or do you find a different approach and come at it again?
- Support for your dumb reasoning.

7. Its not really finding Excuses for losing in combat. I know i'm shit at combat, Hell there are multiple clips of me mag dumping people and still losing, however I'm not the only person who complains about Third person peaking. The fact you said its a Cope because I specifically lose only shows your insecurity with losing this ability, way to call yourself out Lmao
- Support cuz this would give people LESS excuses to say why they lost

8. Yes it is indeed a Very real problem and does need some way to prevent people from abusing it. I presume there probably won't be a Detection system TBH since it will be difficult to code in and be very annoying however its still an Idea at least
+/- Support - Evil Bind user

9. Love it when people don't read, C menu would also be disabled for that 60 seconds until you're out of combat, Literally said it in the lines below the ones you Quoted.

9.1. If you get stabbed then Maybe, the type of damage might be tweaked just to see which ones are necessary and not necessary, tagging it onto the LAV's and vehicles idea in 1.0 It might be beneficial or have situations where third person might be a good idea.

9.2 I wasn't nitpicking factions I was merely stating "Such as" since they are the main PVP factions, I have seen very few reports of Nu7 actually abusing third person peaking, however I have caught all 3 of the factions I have stated abusing third person peaking by blatantly looking at walls next to corners or behind crates while strafing back and forth before pre-firing someone right as they peak. Another However here, I have indeed caught other factions such as ISD, GSD and E-11 abusing said system, however Much MUCH less than those main 3.

9.3. Actually pretty much Yes, as shown above I've just debunked everyone's reasoning so far, If you - Support a much needed change to the server for the Dumbest reason's i'm going to call you out on it and make you look like a fool by hitting you with cold reasoning, just look at 6.0

9.4 Pointing the finger at me saying I have an Ego just because I made a valid point says more about yourself than it does about me, I made a good suggestion with no actual downsides, Yes it might have needed to be Fleshed out a little bit however I haven't shown "Ego" as much as you say I have, Do better, be more positive.

9.5 there wouldn't be a full on Banning system, I'm just saying Ban the USE of those binds, like tell people not to use them and if they do, well make sure its not in combat.
- Support for making me type all that for your dumb reasons.

10. Implementing this system would NOT reduce the QoL and that's just rubbish, Implementing this system would not Lower your FPS or hinder your Larp in any way besides PVP where it forces you to play Fair, since as you said, you should be fighting in First person anyways. you solved your own issue with it.
10.1. Yeah you Could Third person peak before combat however if you have a suggestion for that then Let me know.
- Support, tryna say it'll hinder your QoL like GOC doesn't PAC bomb the server every time they get on

11. Yes the original system I heard was a failure and thankyou for seeing the issue at hand, I do hope this gets added so we can move to a more fair and balanced PVP initiative.
+ Support for Agreeing!

12. Yeah I probably will still lose however it makes the game more fair for aspiring PVP'ers who don't abuse the Third person system
- Support for the Toxicity

13. "Legitimately the worst suggestion I've ever seen." My guy, you didn't even read, you have to be in Combat for the detection system to flag it, why would you be bored running through corridors while in active combat?
- Support, Didnt even read

14. Going from Third to First person isn't a "Disorienting" in any way. I get that you like third person but that's a Huge Cope if I've ever seen one. if you get Disoriented from changing between first and third person go see a doctor since you'll have the worst motion sickness I've ever heard of. Try not to Exaggerate things because you want your 3rd person PVP. Secondly the server's TTK won't be an issue because it'll be tied to the first Hit you receive, meaning it'll be an Instant transition, There's no lag in a system that is Server sided, but Ik what you mean. Changing yourself takes half a second, however on server side it will be INSTANT and will show on your screen Instantly.


14.1. Calling this a Cope suggestion doesn't make any sense, bro I know I'm shit, I know I'm still prolly gonna lose, but its a fix to the whole problem, I never abuse it so I don't see any issues with it, but hey telling me to either Adapt or even Start abusing it myself is just Low bro, seriously couldn't think of anything more positive.
- Support, Dumb reasoning or perhaps not understanding Server side Inputs from Client side input speeds. also its a cope Comment from you lmao.

15. Thankyou Cade, Just cuz the previous plan failed doesn't mean you don't stop trying to fix it, it is Broken so we need it patched. and Yeah if anything I'd prolly drop the detection system and just go with the Removal of the ability to use Third person while in combat.
+ Support for agreeing and sheading light on previous situations.

16. No we will not be just letting people abuse Third person, it is indeed a very big issue and it makes it unfair onto those who either don't have the bind, it allows you to peak around walls where people can't see you and its heavily unrealistic.
- Support, Troll comment

17. Again only in combat, love it when people don't read
- Support, read the suggestion

18. Thankyou for Agreeing and yes it is quite the problem, especially when its being abused during raids where Ci or another faction are using it in tandom with Energy weapons which already have a Very low spread when fired from the hip, causing them to just peak around corners in third person, take a head off, return around the corner and repeat while getting healed.
+/- Support, Removing the Bind just makes people have to click 2 buttons, everything else Agreed and yes it is a problem.

Christ that was a lot to Type, TLDR Debunking every main point, it is still a good suggestion just some people are having to Cope with the fact someone is finally standing up and making this suggestion. I don't mean to be rude but you've been provided the same attitude you pointed towards me in your comments. This system is needed and again, i know i'm shit at PVP, yall just need to cope with the fact you'll be a little worse at PVP now too.

Thankyou for all of your Comments and lets see what the Devs think of the idea.

Edit:
Just learned there was a second page oh lord.

You won't win any arguements or get your point across by being sarcastic or rude to people

You have already lost the suggestion by the attitude you have taken

 

[Vxnt]

-Support

No third person = no ability to see what my PAC is doing with ease.......

Unless it was banned just for combatives.....