Content Suggestion Unarrest permission changes

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Advil Smith

Advil Smith

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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Lock unarresting people to inspector or investigator+ (I don't mind which one I'll leave that up to content)

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
No

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):

Preventing job abuse for unarresting people
Correcting improper usage of feature

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
Whitelisted ISD not on during the time it's needed(Reason I say it could be just investigator+ if this is a concern)

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
The feature has barely ever been used besides for job abusing to let out friends. I can't always catch people when they do this and I would rather people not be able to do this at all than me having to do a full investigation. (for context I am a USA ISD commissioner)
 
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+/- Neutral
I think everyone should be able to unarrest people, but instead of it being an instant menu thing, it just gives you a thing that you use at the cell door and it takes like a minute to use the thing. What is the thing? I don't know. My mind portrays it as an abstract shape, but the idea is more important and I think it would generate more interesting RP and jailbreak kinda stuff.
 
Emilia Foddg said:
+/- Neutral
I think everyone should be able to unarrest people, but instead of it being an instant menu thing, it just gives you a thing that you use at the cell door and it takes like a minute to use the thing. What is the thing? I don't know. My mind portrays it as an abstract shape, but the idea is more important and I think it would generate more interesting RP and jailbreak kinda stuff.
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Jailbreak RP is mingy at best, considering it would most likely be considered Treason RP/ Fail RP. There is some fruit to Jailbreak RP that already happens via people with CL3 keycards coming in and trying to let their buddies out, but 99% of the time this is via metagaming, FailRP, etc. etc.

Personally I'm in +Support of this as personally I've never seen an agent/operative unarrest someone for any actual good reasoning.
 
Emilia Foddg said:
+/- Neutral
I think everyone should be able to unarrest people, but instead of it being an instant menu thing, it just gives you a thing that you use at the cell door and it takes like a minute to use the thing. What is the thing? I don't know. My mind portrays it as an abstract shape, but the idea is more important and I think it would generate more interesting RP and jailbreak kinda stuff.
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"Jail break RP" has never happend with any sort of RP behind it and if it did it could simply be done by releasing people through the cl3 cell doors anyone can use.
 
Avery Snow said:
+Support
Although this could be a problem if you somehow accidentally jail someone for too long. This could be resolved by agents only being able to free people they have arrested themselves.
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Usually there is a investigator or inspector on so thats why I suggested leaving it at that and the time is already limited by a max so it's not possible to do too high for the crime.

Like cedric said above I have never seen an agent/operative use the feature besides job abusing to unarrest friends.
 
Broda said:
-Support

UK Commissioner here

Lets not keep locking things away from people due to a select few morons. Contact staff if people are abusing the system.
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Does UK frequently use the system? In regards to contacting staff this is like I said hard to catch, say I arrest a techie for creating energy weapons with 914 I likely won't stay around the ISD cells the entire duration of his sentence unless a ton of ISD are on. This means the only way I could tell is if I took the time later (assuming the person arrested is still on) to check their arrest history. Then once I get there I could see who unarrested the person. I hope you can see how thats unrealistic of ISD to be checking every arrest just because of a worry caused by job abusing.
I mean staff and investigator+ are almost always on, Ive never had issues with needing to unarrest someone nor has anyone I know
 
Advil Smith said:
Does UK frequently use the system? In regards to contacting staff this is like I said hard to catch, say I arrest a techie for creating energy weapons with 914 I likely won't stay around the ISD cells the entire duration of his sentence unless a ton of ISD are on. This means the only way I could tell is if I took the time later (assuming the person arrested is still on) to check their arrest history. Then once I get there I could see who unarrested the person. I hope you can see how thats unrealistic of ISD to be checking every arrest just because of a worry caused by job abusing.
I mean staff and investigator+ are almost always on, Ive never had issues with needing to unarrest someone nor has anyone I know
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Yes if there is a wrongful arrest or someone makes a plea deal mid-sentence, we commonly release early. Theres a lot of RP centered around the release system, would make no sense for it to be changed because "the minge"
 
Broda said:
Yes if there is a wrongful arrest or someone makes a plea deal mid-sentence, we commonly release early. Theres a lot of RP centered around the release system, would make no sense for it to be changed because "the minge"
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Even In RP it would make sense for unarresting to be locked behind Investigator+ though, as realistically your standard run of the mill agent isn't going to be permitted to make such a decision as releasing a prisoner, especially not in such an organization like the Foundation. That'd be like a standard police officer walking into the county jail and saying 'alright, jimmy over there has served his time I think, let's go ahead and let him out'
 
Advil Smith said:
During that time though are investigator+ not on?
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Yes, but thats not the problem. You on the US seek to restrict things where as the UK has no problem with this what so ever

If you get trained within ISD and you start releasing people, you get job denied and staff will deal with them. I'm not sure why you guys are so hungry on restricting things even more, just roleplay it.
 
Ok since last few people seem to think just punishing the people who does this is a solution here I’ll respond directly to that again.

On USA the feature is used in the following context. Someone gets arrested for let’s say 20 minutes and the arresting isd doesn’t want to sit there for 20 minutes because he’s called to other places. Then let’s say a friend of the person gets on isd for the purpose of just unarresting his friend. Let me be clear there is no role play behind this. Let me also be clear the only way to catch this is either

1. Noticing a person is out earlier than you put them in and calling staff( most likely one but the person arrested can always just get off)

2. Checking via the personnel tablet to see if or who I arrested them then calling staff( again this requires the person to be on)


As said both of these require the person to be on. I don’t see this as restricting anything as the feature has never been used on USA by any agent/operative with good intent. This isn’t restricting RP this is literally how it would work realistically. If there is ever a genuine mistake on the time the agent can either call staff or call a investigator+.

USA has people getting on isd to let out their friends then immediately getting off isd. This is pretty hard to catch since it gives 0 notification to any of this to us.
 
Advil Smith said:
Ok since last few people seem to think just punishing the people who does this is a solution here I’ll respond directly to that again.

On USA the feature is used in the following context. Someone gets arrested for let’s say 20 minutes and the arresting isd doesn’t want to sit there for 20 minutes because he’s called to other places. Then let’s say a friend of the person gets on isd for the purpose of just unarresting his friend. Let me be clear there is no role play behind this. Let me also be clear the only way to catch this is either

1. Noticing a person is out earlier than you put them in and calling staff( most likely one but the person arrested can always just get off)

2. Checking via the personnel tablet to see if or who I arrested them then calling staff( again this requires the person to be on)


As said both of these require the person to be on. I don’t see this as restricting anything as the feature has never been used on USA by any agent/operative with good intent. This isn’t restricting RP this is literally how it would work realistically. If there is ever a genuine mistake on the time the agent can either call staff or call a investigator+.

USA has people getting on isd to let out their friends then immediately getting off isd. This is pretty hard to catch since it gives 0 notification to any of this to us.
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Not being bitchy with this next statement, but US Staff need to be more vigilant then
Whenever someone on UK has abused this permission on the rare occasion we've dealt with it by outright removal

Locking and restricting things is just not the way to go about this
 
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