What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Foreword: Before people reply to this thread with unhelpful things to the discussion like "bro is just a salty D-class main", I will let you know I play BOTH very frequently. My reasoning is purely for the experience of both GSD and D-class players.
My suggestion aims to remove the ability for GSD personnel to utilize SCP-912 to completely stop a riot by themselves. For the reasons of D-class/GSD RP, the fact that allowing this to occur is a blatant rule break of 1.10 "Do not powergame", and an illogical mis-use of an SCP. SCP-912 should be restricted from entering the airlock area and the inner D-block area. They can be used to ensure compliance when pulling out d-class for testing/medical.
D-block as a whole has always been a (mostly) self-contained team deathmatch arena similar to the constant Nu7/CI surface battle. The difference being GSD is heavily armed and capable to keep D-class in line where the D-class have to actively scavenge or be assisted from the outside to riot (MC&D/CI selling guns). GSD have the major advantage by default, as it should be to ensure D-class are compliant the majority of the time for testing.
As the server stands right now, GSD calls a code 2 the moment any single D-class has a gun and is actively shooting at GSD, which is followed up by them immediately sending SCP-912 into inner d-block to kill that D-class and come back. The moment any REAL riot happens, 912 is immediately put into D-block and the riot instantly ends.
Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
If it has, I have not seen it. Which is surprising considering just how long this has been going on.
Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
- D-class will have more of a chance to successfully riot.
- Gensec will have more of a chance to successfully conduct sweeps and end a riot themselves more effectively. With the monetary gain of earning more combat xp fighting D-class themselves.
- Senior Gensec will have more opportunities to hone their leadership capabilities, which will in turn teach Gensec to stop relying so much on SCP-912.
Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- D-class riots will likely become slightly more dangerous overall. I would say "more common" but the truth is that it would be the same amount of riots, but GSD wouldn't be able to use 912 to instantly end them.
- SCP-912 players might find the job to be more boring and less of a way to farm SCP xp.
- With GSD being required to stop riots themselves this in turn would raise the likelihood that D-class do escape from D-block which could cause more breaches, killings, and general escaped D-class shenanigans overall.
Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Reason 1 - Powergaming: SCP-912 is a practically infinite health, fast, and unkillable bully who can chase down every D-class until they die with the exception of Scouts who they can still just chase down forever and hit them whenever they stop. Even if every D-class attempted to fight SCP-912 to lower them to the point of being beamable every D-class would die at least 3 times over. And if we are going on the RP basis of "valuing your life", nobody would actually try to fight SCP-912. Making it even more of a powergame. It is impossible to feasibly deal with SCP-912 as a D-class and the whole situation is textbook powergaming.
"/me becomes invincible and kills everyone"
Reason 2 - Illogical mis-use of an SCP: The Foundation's job is to contain and research anomalies. That is the golden rule of the Foundation. "Secure, Contain, Protect". In this case, the Foundation makes 0 effort to "protect" SCP-912 in any way. The whole point of a D-class riot is that D-block becomes an extremely dangerous area to be in. Therefore, dropping SCP-912 by themselves directly into the thick of it is something the Foundation would never logically do. Doing so would very, very likely cause significant damage to the anomaly and/or allowing it to go completely rogue allowing an SCP to kill human beings.
Reason 3 - Completely stopping D-class/GSD RP: Even though some people don't like the frequency of D-class riots, it is RP like it or not. Any riot can be easily contained through an efficient and coordinated team effort which falls on GSD leadership to organize. They have an entire site of MTF and SOP who will join a sweep the moment they ask if they aren't pre-occupied. The moment 10+ combatives flood out onto the catwalk of D-block every riot gets immediately stabilized, with a sweep coming up next. Everything I just said there is peak GSD RP. Everyone at the end gets combat credits for their own server progression and senior GSD personnel get to express their leadership capability... Now what does SCP-912 do? As mentioned previously, his presence alone completely stunts a riot due to sheer force multiplier of his existence. Most riots ends without a single sweep happening because SCP-912 will run in and kill everybody.
D-block at it's core is having riots more than ever because there is nothing else for D-class to do. Research personnel don't do research nearly as often anymore because the monetary gain of SCP samples has been heavily nerfed. The D-class karma system isn't rewarding enough for the majority of D-class to care about doing when rioting is a much more direct method of both gaining D-class xp, combat xp, and the potential of successfully escaping. If you want to make D-class riot less often, provide some kind of monetary value for the D-class to participate in non-riot RP. Powergaming an SCP isn't the way.
Foreword: Before people reply to this thread with unhelpful things to the discussion like "bro is just a salty D-class main", I will let you know I play BOTH very frequently. My reasoning is purely for the experience of both GSD and D-class players.
My suggestion aims to remove the ability for GSD personnel to utilize SCP-912 to completely stop a riot by themselves. For the reasons of D-class/GSD RP, the fact that allowing this to occur is a blatant rule break of 1.10 "Do not powergame", and an illogical mis-use of an SCP. SCP-912 should be restricted from entering the airlock area and the inner D-block area. They can be used to ensure compliance when pulling out d-class for testing/medical.
D-block as a whole has always been a (mostly) self-contained team deathmatch arena similar to the constant Nu7/CI surface battle. The difference being GSD is heavily armed and capable to keep D-class in line where the D-class have to actively scavenge or be assisted from the outside to riot (MC&D/CI selling guns). GSD have the major advantage by default, as it should be to ensure D-class are compliant the majority of the time for testing.
As the server stands right now, GSD calls a code 2 the moment any single D-class has a gun and is actively shooting at GSD, which is followed up by them immediately sending SCP-912 into inner d-block to kill that D-class and come back. The moment any REAL riot happens, 912 is immediately put into D-block and the riot instantly ends.
Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
If it has, I have not seen it. Which is surprising considering just how long this has been going on.
Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
- D-class will have more of a chance to successfully riot.
- Gensec will have more of a chance to successfully conduct sweeps and end a riot themselves more effectively. With the monetary gain of earning more combat xp fighting D-class themselves.
- Senior Gensec will have more opportunities to hone their leadership capabilities, which will in turn teach Gensec to stop relying so much on SCP-912.
Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- D-class riots will likely become slightly more dangerous overall. I would say "more common" but the truth is that it would be the same amount of riots, but GSD wouldn't be able to use 912 to instantly end them.
- SCP-912 players might find the job to be more boring and less of a way to farm SCP xp.
- With GSD being required to stop riots themselves this in turn would raise the likelihood that D-class do escape from D-block which could cause more breaches, killings, and general escaped D-class shenanigans overall.
Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Reason 1 - Powergaming: SCP-912 is a practically infinite health, fast, and unkillable bully who can chase down every D-class until they die with the exception of Scouts who they can still just chase down forever and hit them whenever they stop. Even if every D-class attempted to fight SCP-912 to lower them to the point of being beamable every D-class would die at least 3 times over. And if we are going on the RP basis of "valuing your life", nobody would actually try to fight SCP-912. Making it even more of a powergame. It is impossible to feasibly deal with SCP-912 as a D-class and the whole situation is textbook powergaming.
"/me becomes invincible and kills everyone"
Reason 2 - Illogical mis-use of an SCP: The Foundation's job is to contain and research anomalies. That is the golden rule of the Foundation. "Secure, Contain, Protect". In this case, the Foundation makes 0 effort to "protect" SCP-912 in any way. The whole point of a D-class riot is that D-block becomes an extremely dangerous area to be in. Therefore, dropping SCP-912 by themselves directly into the thick of it is something the Foundation would never logically do. Doing so would very, very likely cause significant damage to the anomaly and/or allowing it to go completely rogue allowing an SCP to kill human beings.
Reason 3 - Completely stopping D-class/GSD RP: Even though some people don't like the frequency of D-class riots, it is RP like it or not. Any riot can be easily contained through an efficient and coordinated team effort which falls on GSD leadership to organize. They have an entire site of MTF and SOP who will join a sweep the moment they ask if they aren't pre-occupied. The moment 10+ combatives flood out onto the catwalk of D-block every riot gets immediately stabilized, with a sweep coming up next. Everything I just said there is peak GSD RP. Everyone at the end gets combat credits for their own server progression and senior GSD personnel get to express their leadership capability... Now what does SCP-912 do? As mentioned previously, his presence alone completely stunts a riot due to sheer force multiplier of his existence. Most riots ends without a single sweep happening because SCP-912 will run in and kill everybody.
D-block at it's core is having riots more than ever because there is nothing else for D-class to do. Research personnel don't do research nearly as often anymore because the monetary gain of SCP samples has been heavily nerfed. The D-class karma system isn't rewarding enough for the majority of D-class to care about doing when rioting is a much more direct method of both gaining D-class xp, combat xp, and the potential of successfully escaping. If you want to make D-class riot less often, provide some kind of monetary value for the D-class to participate in non-riot RP. Powergaming an SCP isn't the way.
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