Rule Suggestion Allow Class-D to breach 008

["Businessman"]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Removes the rule:


Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
I don't believe so

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
+More RP Possibilities for Class-D
+No more RP dictating rule
+Encourages people to play Class-D

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- 4% increase in 008 breaches.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Using rules to protect something from being breached is just a lame way.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

I think another thing to mention here is that by viruue of both increasing the complexity of how 008 is allowed to breach and the fact that thsi is a Staff-enforced measure, whether through miscommunication, misinterpretation or just outright minging, it may spur failbreaches (i.e. people taking the rule change wrong and thinking they can do it in circumstances they can't, or otherwise trying to use the changes as cover for intentional failbreach (such as feigning the former)) - And to my understanding, 008 failbreaches are notoriously the worst to deal with because of the way spores work (In the past, it's been possible for them to get into some really weird places most notably being tight map geometry, such as in train station or even outside of the map bounds, which means they can stay unnoticed and continue spreading from there until discovered).

So this could add extra unnecessary hassle & headache from a Staff perspective - Which also to my understanding is another reason why 008 breaches are confined to being causable by CI only. Not sure why I didn't cover this before in the thread, as I went over it in my prior suggestion on this topic.

 

[Sule Goodman]

r y'all stupid.. i dont even play the server and even i know it says
'DANGER, ZOMBIE VIRUS, DANGER, ZOMBIE VIRUS, 100% LETHAL' around 008 chamber...

talkin about 'how they gonna know' they got eyes lil homie...

Thats only on UK btw, US server doesnt have that

 

[Doug 'TrippleD']

Also, let’s be honest breaching SCP-008 as a D-Class would be extremely difficult. The rule requiring at least 12 MTF members online ensures that these breaches only happen during high-pop rounds, where there’s enough personal to handle the situation. On top of that, a Class-D would still have to:

• Escape D-Block,
• Navigate into LHCZ,
• Hack through multiple clearance levels (CL4 Bio and CL5),
• And finally reach the containment chamber to trigger a breach.

This is not something that will happen easily or often. But when it does, it would be amaizing, "a Class-D managed to breach 008 wow".

We're talking about d-class in low pop who sit around disguised for 3 hours then call a metagame sit as soon as they die to anything.
Additionally, d-class wont really give a shit about the 12 MTF requirement, its happened before where d-class have breached 008 in low pop and its taken over an hour to get resolved and the entire day for staff to investigate what happened.

D-class know how to hack, its not that difficult.
The hardest part for them would be getting a hostage to inject it into, but they'd probably inject themselves or another d-class.

 

[Fexxyzin]

We're talking about d-class in low pop who sit around disguised for 3 hours then call a metagame sit as soon as they die to anything.

This is a player behavior issue, not a problem with SCP-008 or the rule itself. If certain players are abusing disguises or misusing sits (what in the context you gave they'r aren't), that should be dealt with individually, not by restricting RP possibilities for everyone. Bad behavior from a few palyers shound't define the rules for the entire community.

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Additionally, d-class wont really give a shit about the 12 MTF requirement, its happened before...

If that’s true, then the issue is enforcement, not the idea of the breach itself. If the 12-MTF rule is being broken, the solution is clearer logging, better communication, or staff warnings, not a complete ban on 008 breaches from Class-D individuals.

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D-class know how to hack, its not that difficult.

Knowing how to hack ≠ being able to successfully breach 008. The physical access to the chamber, avoiding detection and injecting someone, these are all major steps that take time and expose the Class-D to risk. The breach isn’t meant to be impossible, just very difficult and rare. And with the 12-MTF rule, it's already a stuggle.

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The hardest part for them would be getting a hostage to inject it into, but they'd probably inject themselves or another d-class.

Exactly and that’s not a problem. That’s RP. If a D-Class injects another, that becomes a containment emergency. That’s gameplay. If they inject themselves, they’re basically sacrificing their life to cause chaos and that’s no different than breaching any other SCP or going in a killing spree.

 

["Businessman"]

We're talking about d-class in low pop who sit around disguised for 3 hours then call a metagame sit as soon as they die to anything.
Additionally, d-class wont really give a shit about the 12 MTF requirement, its happened before where d-class have breached 008 in low pop and its taken over an hour to get resolved and the entire day for staff to investigate what happened.

D-class know how to hack, its not that difficult.
The hardest part for them would be getting a hostage to inject it into, but they'd probably inject themselves or another d-class.

If they don't listen the rules, what stops them from breaching it anyways?

 

[Doug 'TrippleD']

If that’s true, then the issue is enforcement, not the idea of the breach itself. If the 12-MTF rule is being broken, the solution is clearer logging, better communication, or staff warnings, not a complete ban on 008 breaches from Class-D individuals.

Staff arent on 24/7. USA has has problems with lack of staff for a while and this is simply something from lack of manpower. UK staff hop on sometimes to help out but they cannot be relied on.

Logs are already very clear and precise, there is a limit on what you can do and you have to go up the chain of command, gather opinions and a lot of things before making a decision. Additionally, staff like to wait to bring people into sits so we can talk to them and get their side of the story and they arent always online.

This is a player behavior issue, not a problem with SCP-008 or the rule itself. If certain players are abusing disguises or misusing sits (what in the context you gave they'r aren't), that should be dealt with individually, not by restricting RP possibilities for everyone. Bad behavior from a few palyers shound't define the rules for the entire community.

Are you seriously calling an SCP-008 breach an rp possibility? Thats one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. (please fix your spelling also, this was painful to read)

Knowing how to hack ≠ being able to successfully breach 008. The physical access to the chamber, avoiding detection and injecting someone, these are all major steps that take time and expose the Class-D to risk. The breach isn’t meant to be impossible, just very difficult and rare. And with the 12-MTF rule, it's already a stuggle.

E-11 aren't known on the UK server to be extremely active, and its not fair for anybody to be guarding the containment chamber 24/7 and getting bored just to protect the chamber from pesky d-class who b-line down there and claim metagame when they get killed for killing half the site staff.

Exactly and that’s not a problem. That’s RP. If a D-Class injects another, that becomes a containment emergency. That’s gameplay. If they inject themselves, they’re basically sacrificing their life to cause chaos and that’s no different than breaching any other SCP or going in a killing spree.

Injecting a member of your team with 008 purposefully is against server rules. Yet again, causing a massive breach and wasting hours of staff time and player time cleaning up some d-class's mess on the daily is NOT roleplay. Causing chaos (to promote roleplay, ie causing crimes and getting tribunalled, etc) and giving the middle finger to server health are completely different.

 

[Alex Bones]

This could be good and it could also be a disaster, from what I see D-Class would not willingly inject themselves with SCP-008 however they could inject someone else (in RP that would be a foundation member not another D-Class. If D-Class were allowed to breach 008 they would need to know where it is located and to some degree what it does, all in RP of course. This could allow CI to give such information to D-Class in order for them to breach it which both will bring passive and active roleplay.

All in all I actually agree that D-Class should be allowed to breach SCP-008 after asking staff whether or not they have a valid reason for it.

 

[Emilia Foddg]

Honestly... Is there any situation in which injecting yourself with 008 is a valid breach?

I don't think there is. Can we like adjust the 008 syringe SWEP to remove the ability to inject yourself? I know the SWEP is an adaptation of something from.... Was it MRP? I forget. But I feel like having the actual ability to do something we're not allowed to do is more hassle than it's worth, especially since these are 008 (fail)breaches we're talking about.

 

[Zen]

Honestly... Is there any situation in which injecting yourself with 008 is a valid breach?

I don't think there is. Can we like adjust the 008 syringe SWEP to remove the ability to inject yourself? I know the SWEP is an adaptation of something from.... Was it MRP? I forget. But I feel like having the actual ability to do something we're not allowed to do is more hassle than it's worth, especially since these are 008 breaches we're talking about.

At the very least, it should be changed so that accidentally injecting yourself isn't possible. Like, a confirm prompt or something. I think rn if you right-click by accident while holding it, it just insta-injects yourself.

 

[Sule Goodman]

At the very least, it should be changed so that accidentally injecting yourself isn't possible. Like, a confirm prompt or something. I think rn if you right-click by accident while holding it, it just insta-injects yourself.

I will say , a "are you sure?" pop up would be great. Theres been times my brain went stupid and during sampling I've almost injected myself instead of the D class.

 

[Puma 'Providence']

Just make a pop up like what Sule said that says something like “oh less than 12 MTF online so you can’t pick this up as a d-class”