Denied Decrease overall HP / hit points / life points / salubrity of D-Class

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What does this suggestion change/add/remove:

Compensation Buff: D-Class (100 Life Points -> (105 Life Points)
D-Class Brute (250 Life Points -> (150 Life Points) (Quality of life change)
D-Class Scout (150 Life Points -> (100 Life Points) (Quality of life change)

Remove Keys SWEP from D-Class (Quality of life change)
Remove the item dispenser from inside of D-Block, forcing D-Class to use unique strategies to bolster their riots
Increase the fire arm costs from the Scrap Dealer, forcing D-Class to get full use out of their weapons, getting more bang for their buck
Decrease SCP-457's HP to 15,000 (Quality of life change)


Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
I do not believe

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
Valuable quality of life change for GENSEC
Increased server health, including for GENSEC
Gives GENSEC more things to do. Perchance.
Causes D-Class breaches in LCZ to be less chaotic, allowing for an overall healthier server microbiome.
Gives Research a lot more RP potential while having to deal with less riots
Gives Chaos Insurgency more meaning, instead of just having D-Class be the main fighting force.
Allows MTF to guard HCZ better
457 doesn't get hacked out as much by D-Class


Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
Some may have some concerns with reducing D-Class's HP by about 50-100~ points per power class
Some may not enjoy the quality of life changes, such as D-Class mains
SCP-457 mains might not enjoy the quality of life change
The compensation buff for the base D-Class role might be a bit too much, especially considering how many D-Class there are, and how common it is to survive on low HPs.


Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:

Hello, it has come to my attention that D-Class have been running rampant, overpowering GENSEC / MTF / Research, and causing decreased server health. This is my proposal. I think it perfectly wraps most of the problems people have with LCZ / D-Block in a neat bow, with many quality of life changes, and a plethora of allotted suggested buffs to compensate. This would be a massive change, but, I think it could cause a positive change in direction for the server.

This also might actually technically be a buff for D-Class in the long run, considering how this change would encourage strategy and out of the box thinking from D-Class when it comes to being "rebels", and escaping the Foundation. I think all sides from this change would come out on top.

To give an example, let me give a brief but potentially engaging reader rundown on Guerilla Tactics:

Guerrilla warfare is a form of unconventional warfare in which small groups of irregular military, such as rebels, partisans, paramilitary personnel or armed civilians, including recruited children, use ambushes, sabotage, terrorism, raids, petty warfare or hit-and-run tactics in a rebellion, in a violent conflict, in a war or in a civil war to fight against regular military, police or rival insurgent forces.

Although the term "guerrilla warfare" was coined in the context of the Peninsular War in the 19th century, the tactical methods of guerrilla warfare have long been in use. In the 6th century BC, Sun Tzu proposed the use of guerrilla-style tactics in The Art of War. The 3rd century BC Roman general Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus is also credited with inventing many of the tactics of guerrilla warfare through what is today called the Fabian strategy, and in China Peng Yue is also often regarded as the inventor of guerrilla warfare. Guerrilla warfare has been used by various factions throughout history and is particularly associated with revolutionary movements and popular resistance against invading or occupying armies.

Guerrilla tactics focus on avoiding head-on confrontations with enemy armies, typically due to inferior arms or forces, and instead engage in limited skirmishes with the goal of exhausting adversaries and forcing them to withdraw (see also attrition warfare). Organized guerrilla groups often depend on the support of either the local population or foreign backers who sympathize with the guerrilla group's efforts.


Image example:
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If D-Class were able to utilize these "Guerrilla warfare" tactics to their "benefit," I think theoretically it could create some highly engaging, rare high moments for D-Class who successfully sneak under the radar of GENSEC / push their way through the Foundation forces.
 
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Did you not see the compensation buff? That would allow D-Class (base role) to actually escape and potentially hack out SCP-457. This nerf was strategic towards the overall server microbiome, as a 457 meta could potentially arise with D-Class the way they are now.



Alright, alright, let's try to keep things... Civil
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not trying to be rude or anything just keeping it real...
 
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U.S Chief of Security here. This is not a good idea by any stretch. I play D-Class time to time and its a pain in the ass to do ANYTHING without there being a TB, Riot, or Gun Sales.
I firmly believe D-Class need something to keep them entertained while they aren't on tests, and combatively destroying them would mean a loss of D-Class, and a decline in server health since researchers would get next to no D-Class.
D-Block is also way too small to effectively wage a guerrilla war, and there is very little cover to use to ambush GSD on catwalks. Sure they could blend in with innocent D-Class but they'll end up getting cross-fired anyways as soon as someone sees a gun
I believe I have enough experience on both D-Class and GenSec to say all this.
Major - Support
 
U.S Chief of Security here. This is not a good idea by any stretch. I play D-Class time to time and its a pain in the ass to do ANYTHING without there being a TB, Riot, or Gun Sales.
I firmly believe D-Class need something to keep them entertained while they aren't on tests, and combatively destroying them would mean a loss of D-Class, and a decline in server health since researchers would get next to no D-Class.
D-Block is also way too small to effectively wage a guerrilla war, and there is very little cover to use to ambush GSD on catwalks. Sure they could blend in with innocent D-Class but they'll end up getting cross-fired anyways as soon as someone sees a gun
I believe I have enough experience on both D-Class and GenSec to say all this.
Major - Support

While I respect your opinion, I feel you might be biased in favor of D-Class as a U.S Chief of Security. I believe most D-Class mains can agree that, all things considered, there's a chance this change could be a net buff for D-Class.
 
While I respect your opinion, I feel you might be biased in favor of D-Class as a U.S Chief of Security. I believe most D-Class mains can agree that, all things considered, there's a chance this change could be a net buff for D-Class.
ah yes removing hp from the good dclass jobs and raising weapon prices and removing the dispenser which is the primary source of loot totally a buff guys!

you sure do like putting quality of life under your reasons when your just reducing the qol!!
 

Dopamine

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Did you not see the compensation buff? That would allow D-Class (base role) to actually escape and potentially hack out SCP-457. This nerf was strategic towards the overall server microbiome, as a 457 meta could potentially arise with D-Class the way they are now.
You know they made hacking out SCPs as D Class failrp now right? So hacking out 457 at all is a no no lmao, but anyways for my opinion on this, eh, like from a common sense standpoint I'd see why you'd wanna remove the dispenser from d block, but like, gameplay wise it lets d class still be restricted on high pop and reign on low pop, so uh, sorry caesar but I gotta -support, d class are already unable to escape on high pop, this change will probably make them unable to on low pop either
 
You know they made hacking out SCPs as D Class failrp now right? So hacking out 457 at all is a no no lmao, but anyways for my opinion on this, eh, like from a common sense standpoint I'd see why you'd wanna remove the dispenser from d block, but like, gameplay wise it lets d class still be restricted on high pop and reign on low pop, so uh, sorry caesar but I gotta -support, d class are already unable to escape on high pop, this change will probably make them unable to on low pop either
Class D can experience a mass breach of SCP, which may be considered Fail RP and could result in a ban
show me in the staff rulings page where it says that or if its a "staff ruling" they've just made up on the spot lol
 

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show me in the staff rulings page where it says that or if its a "staff ruling" they've just made up on the spot lol
It damages server health, this is a roleplay server not a d-class run around in low-mid pop and breach every single SCP server.

Personally, and as most others would do, I would allow them to maybe breach 1 scp if its fair (106, 7722, 079, 008 are off the table) and its not too low pop. I would tell them do not breach anything else or they will receive a ban/warning depending on what they do. Ignoring requests from staff will most of the time be a punishable offense.
 
It damages server health, this is a roleplay server not a d-class run around in low-mid pop and breach every single SCP server.

Personally, and as most others would do, I would allow them to maybe breach 1 scp if its fair (106, 7722, 079, 008 are off the table) and its not too low pop. I would tell them do not breach anything else or they will receive a ban/warning depending on what they do. Ignoring requests from staff will most of the time be a punishable offense.
that isnt showing me it, thats just you voicing your opinion
 

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Suggestion Denied
Hi, Caesar Kuznetsov.
Thanks for taking the time to make a server suggestion.The Content Team has chosen to deny your suggestion due to the following reasons. We believe that these changes would not be balanced and can't be justified by quality of life. Your suggestion will now be locked and marked as denied.​
 
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