Rule Suggestion Allow Class-D to breach 008

["Businessman"]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
Removes the rule:


Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
I don't believe so

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
+More RP Possibilities for Class-D
+No more RP dictating rule
+Encourages people to play Class-D

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- 4% increase in 008 breaches.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Using rules to protect something from being breached is just a lame way.

 

[Niox]

No. I am not having a 008 breach every day at 3am

 

[Cain Morris]

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Do ya really think D-Class will follow this when no staff are on?

 

[Welper]

They don't know anything about any SCPs if they haven't seen them in RP, yet they can still breach them.
I already answered your questions. They don't need to know about any one of those other than one. They have to know hacking. We just assume some Class-Ds know how to hack things, or they wouldn’t be able to breach any SCPs other than 035. They wouldn’t even be able to hack the D-Block bulk door.

It's just hypocrisy to see no issue with a Class-D breaching 079 or 682, but to have a problem with them breaching 008.

I agree with you on the last argument which you said if someone gets angry they should be to kill that person and it should be an ingame issue but the problem with that is, its impossible to apply that rule. It just creates a loophole for people to abuse.

Oh no, I do have issues with class D breaching 079 or 682, just that SL agreed it's allowed (I think? I don't even know if class D CAN breach SCPs, or if nobody cares enough to call sits). I'd say this is a good balancing, class D can feasibly breach SCPs but 008 is too far.
My last point was irony. This server has very specific rules made so that it plays out in a specific way. Removal of rules such as these stops this specific path occuring. I also don't count the 1 counterargument - "Altough close to impossible since shooting your way out of D-Block and passing your way through a lot of security is almost always a death wish but its not unrealistic." - to the multiple arguments for impossibility (every single step in acquiring 008 syringes) as a "answering my questions" sufficiently. My comment on how little thought was put into the negatives have also not been answered. I can name multiple issues, reffered to a couple here, it's not possible that you could only make up a small number and keep it at that. Your positives are also lackluster, "more RP possibilities" - how? How will class D breaching 008 create more RP? "No more RP dictating rule", implies RP is created, reffer to previous, and also is a bad argument due to the fact that there are many rules which "dictate" RP, reffer to the specific way the server goes. Finally, "encourages people to play class D", no evidence to support this claim, and I doubt that class D numbers will really increase because they can finally breach 008.

if a dclass can make it all the way to hcz and hack multiple lv4 bios with 12 mtf on at that point its the mtfs fault

Just gonna also put it out there that "12 MTF" can include 8 Nu7 and 4 A1, none of whom get hacking alerts, are near HCZ, have basically any reason to be in HCZ. Point being that no, getting to HCZ itself with 12 MTF really is not an achievment, class D breach SCPs in there constantly on mornings with such numbers.

 

[Welper]

Do ya really think D-Class will follow this when no staff are on?

This is a rule suggestion... so dclass could already do this.... only the rules stop them, first the "dclass can't breach rule" then the "12 MTF + needed" rule

 

[Niox]

Do ya really think D-Class will follow this when no staff are on?

im sorry, what?
They follow the rule of not removing it from it's containment chamber, so yes, I do think they'd also follow this rule.

 

[qShad]

+support

If dclass can do multiple CL4 or even CL5 hacks, get pass many MTF and even exfil to inject? Massive MTF skill issue.
Having this being a server rule because E-11 can't lock in is kind of disappointing

 

["Businessman"]

Oh no, I do have issues with class D breaching 079 or 682, just that SL agreed it's allowed (I think? I don't even know if class D CAN breach SCPs, or if nobody cares enough to call sits). I'd say this is a good balancing, class D can feasibly breach SCPs but 008 is too far.
My last point was irony. This server has very specific rules made so that it plays out in a specific way. Removal of rules such as these stops this specific path occuring. I also don't count the 1 counterargument - "Altough close to impossible since shooting your way out of D-Block and passing your way through a lot of security is almost always a death wish but its not unrealistic." - to the multiple arguments for impossibility (every single step in acquiring 008 syringes) as a "answering my questions" sufficiently. My comment on how little thought was put into the negatives have also not been answered. I can name multiple issues, reffered to a couple here, it's not possible that you could only make up a small number and keep it at that. Your positives are also lackluster, "more RP possibilities" - how? How will class D breaching 008 create more RP? "No more RP dictating rule", implies RP is created, reffer to previous, and also is a bad argument due to the fact that there are many rules which "dictate" RP, reffer to the specific way the server goes. Finally, "encourages people to play class D", no evidence to support this claim, and I doubt that class D numbers will really increase because they can finally breach 008.

Just gonna also put it out there that "12 MTF" can include 8 Nu7 and 4 A1, none of whom get hacking alerts, are near HCZ, have basically any reason to be in HCZ. Point being that no, getting to HCZ itself with 12 MTF really is not an achievment, class D breach SCPs in there constantly on mornings with such numbers.

A fair percentage of Class-Ds play Class-D just to cause chaos. They could use 914 and try to get into HCZ, and that alone is good enough RP for a Class-D.

The "4%" is obviously made up, but I chose that value because it shouldn’t matter in the end. CI has a bunch of guns, skills, and manpower. Class-Ds get into that position very rarely. Considering the 12-MTF requirement, Class-Ds wouldn’t even be able to breach 008 most of the time. It’s just an estimation.

You claim 12 MTF isn't enough, but the same is true for CI, who are supposed to be superior. That’s not really relevant to this issue — if needed, you could request it to be increased. But saying this isn’t a good argument is like asking: what if there were 20 A-1, O-1, and 10 Nu-7, and no E-11? Is that the fault of CI or Class-D? I don’t think so.

Class-Ds can breach SCPs, but there's almost no RP when it comes to actually escaping to the surface as a Class-D.

In game it is also close to impossible to beat that much people and pass through a lot of guards then through HCZ, then alerts are send to people yet survive and then breach 008 that is close to impossible just like how it would be in real life.

 

[Evil]

If a dclass manage to get in hcz enter 008 yoink a needle and injected on to himself or d class then that just seems like a skill and complacency. in e11's part
+support

 

[Yellow]

The primary goal of D-Class is to escape the facility. The only reason they can breach an SCP on their own accord is to cause a distraction while escaping. Breaching 008 not only requires advance knowledge of how to breach it and poses high risk to attempt, but also causes high destruction to the facility in most cases. This goes far beyond the idea of causing a distraction.
-Support

 

[Ryan O'Dállaigh]

This would ruin server health