Denied Chef Spawn Access changes.

[Nathan Smith]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
It would make the door to the D-Block kitchen level 1 Biometric on both sides.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
-Reduce RDM/Spawn kill in D-Block kitchen
-Make D-Block kitchen a more controlled area
-Make the D-Block kitchen not be the first place all running D-class go
-Make it so that when D-Class are granted kitchen privileges they can't leave without an escort.
Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
-D-Class won't be able to get in without a foundation member and this may upset people who main D-Class

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
I think that this should be accepted because there have been many issues with spawn killing/RDM during riots and in general causing many people to avoid the kitchen in D-Block. Also, it would make the kitchen less of a problem zone in general as gensec wouldn't have to remove D-Class from the kitchen constantly and D-Class wouldn't be able to go in and disrupt things by throwing pots and pans and in general be a nuisance.

 

[Michael Dzhetnikov]

spawnkilling isnt allowed in kitchen anyways

 

[Nathan Smith]

isnt allowed in kitchen anyways

It still happens and I don’t want to have to call sits every 30 minutes

 

[Sleepino]

+support
i don't know why they removed the level 1 keypad

 

[Change Z. "Somebody"]

-support maybe level one but a biometric is way to much to defend a kitchen surrounded by gensec and combat medics.

 

[Guinea]

+ Support
Needed

 

["Darkstar"]

+support, instead of a biometric just have it a regular lvl 1 keypad
The kitchen in PW would also make a great alternative for a spawn point for the chef's

 

[Remmy]

+/- Neutral leaning to - Support​

I can't honestly see a lot of appeal to this suggestion, although I don't personally go in kitchen as D-Class often, it is a favourable hiding spot. Whilst making these keypads biometric would reduce frustration for Chef players, you have to bear in mind that they are a small minority. D-Class is always highly populated at peak times, and if this area is sealed off there aren't many places to hide when escaped.

Maybe adding back the standard clearance 1 would be a good idea, since that way D-Class can still access it, but will require a keycard.

 

[Rev. Doofster Runner]

+Support

Biometric is a lil overkill, but definitely LVL 1 I think

 

[Bill Nye The Guy]

-support no. if you want to cook for your own purposes there's lots of other places to do it, d block kitchen is one of many kitchens and (as others have said) it's a nice hiding spot

 

[Nathan Smith]

-support no. if you want to cook for your own purposes there's lots of other places to do it, d block kitchen is one of many kitchens and (as others have said) it's a nice hiding spot

Only two total kitchens are available for cl 1 chefs, one in PW and one the one in D-Block, chefs should be able to cook in the kitchen they spawn in and it is unfair that the only D-class hiding spot that does not require a keycard in the place of work and spawn for a non combative job

 

[Jericho]

There is no need to make changed to the keypad, the solution is already implemented in the server.

SL just need to add a secondary spawn point in the PW kitchen so chefs can choose to spawn in either kitchen.

 

[Nathan Smith]

There is no need to make changed to the keypad, the solution is already implemented in the server.

SL just need to add a secondary spawn point in the PW kitchen so chefs can choose to spawn in either kitchen.

I agree with adding a new spawn point for chefs but do think that a change to the keypad for d-block kitchen is necessary

 

[Jericho]

I agree with adding a new spawn point for chefs but do think that a change to the keypad for d-block kitchen is necessary

I understand your points as to why it needs to be done, but there is a certain level of balance that needs to be maintained when it comes to the D-Class/Gensec dynamic.

Its partly the reason why keypad changes rarely get done, it can tip that balance rapidly even if it does not seem like it in the suggestion. D-Class use the Kitchen as a rendezvous point, a hiding spot, a place to get a keycard from a chef. If they needed a keycard to get in, they would not be able to kill a chef for a keycard therefore making escape at the d-block exit impossible. A small change can change the balance entirely and removes an option from D-Class.

The spawnkilling issue needs to be resolved which is why the secondary spawn point would be sufficient, but adding a CL1 keypad would just make a lot of needless complaints.

 

[Nathan Smith]

I understand your points as to why it needs to be done, but there is a certain level of balance that needs to be maintained when it comes to the D-Class/Gensec dynamic.

Its partly the reason why keypad changes rarely get done, it can tip that balance rapidly even if it does not seem like it in the suggestion. D-Class use the Kitchen as a rendezvous point, a hiding spot, a place to get a keycard from a chef. If they needed a keycard to get in, they would not be able to kill a chef for a keycard therefore making escape at the d-block exit impossible. A small change can change the balance entirely and removes an option from D-Class.

The spawnkilling issue needs to be resolved which is why the secondary spawn point would be sufficient, but adding a CL1 keypad would just make a lot of needless complaints.

What about the balance for chefs

 

[Bill Nye The Guy]

chefs have multiple places they can cook, d class only have one place to hide

 

[Jericho]

What about the balance for chefs

chefs have multiple places they can cook, d class only have one place to hide

Precisely what Bill said, they are not in need of "balance" for server health as they have a way to remove themselves a situation that can disrupt their gameplay.

The spawnkilling is the main issue which is solved by a second spawn point.

 

[Simon "Kitton" A.]

Suggestion Denied​

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Hi Nathan Smith,

Thanks for taking the time to make a server suggestion.
The Content Team has chosen to deny your suggestion due to the following reasons.

As we have a rule about spawn camping this is highly unneeded.
However, D-Class have only 1 location to hide in D-block.
Therefore for balance, we won't be doing this.

Your suggestion will now be locked and marked as denied.​