Rule Suggestion CL4 Promotion application requirement equivalency.

[JasonTheCheesyGuy]

What does this suggestions change/add/remove:

This suggestion proposes that the following roles no longer require an application to be submitted, but may rather be promoted into by the relevant department heads.

- Internal Security Department Inspector
- Security Captain
- RSD Executive Researcher
- Medical Consultant
- External Affairs Special Agent
- Ethics Committee Assistant (Considered; But perhaps not wise.)
- Overseer Council Assistant (Considered; But perhaps not wise.)

This is to make the attainment of these ranks equal to the other CL4 positions. As it stands, the bar for gaining one of the above roles is much harder due to the added effort of writing an application and public scrutiny upon the promotion. As it stands, the following roles can already be promoted into without requiring a public application to be written;

- M.T.F. E11 Lt.
- M.T.F. Nu-7 Lt.
- M.T.F. A-1/O-1 Lt.
- GOC Lt.
- Chaos Insurgency DELCOM

Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?
The only threads regarding applications that I could locate had to do with Site-Command, or Site-Admin, and neither touched on the topic of the above roles.

Possible Positives of the suggestion:
- A significant increase in the amount of players that may attain and play these roles, solving the issue of their lacking presence upon site.
- More equivalency for roles that hold less OOC/In-RP authority, yet require more effort to be attained.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
- The lowering of public scrutiny for these roles may result in less quality control for those that play the roles.
- More rapid overturn of JCL4 positions.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:

This change will provide even playing ground between various CL4 positions, without causing issues that are not already present for M.T.F./GOC/CI. It just events out the playing field more. Why should an RSD Executive be required to write a full application and be subjected to public scrutiny for a role that has no meaningful IC authority beyond tests, and no OOC authority beyond the occasional job-ban, while at the same time other CL4 positions for regiments can be attained without any public scrutiny while holding more OOC authority over others' progression within their departments, and more IC capacity for wrongdoing?

 

[Niox]

-Support

 

[Emilia Foddg]

+Support to an extent
What people don't realise is that the newer crowds are somewhat averse to doing things like making forum accounts and such, with good reason, honestly - Honestly, if applications need to continue existing, they need to be accessible from in-game.

But I do also think that some of the junior CL4 positions don't really need as much vetting as they have, have overlap with departments that are really hurting in RP, atm.

I agree with Investigator, Captain, Exec, Special Agent and maybe Consultant. I do agree with the prospect that there needs to be significant vetting for all CL4 positions and that they need to be reasonably gated off - However, I feel like having two WL application positions per department (ex. SA, SC), while is definitely safer, yes - Feels unfriendly to newer people trying to get into the server. Even though these things absolutely should be gatekept, it does give this feel that we're a gated community. It's hard to reconcile, honestly.

 

[Acey]

I personally think CO promos need to be vetted because they influence a regiment, does that make sense? It's a level of responsibility now, you're a LT/MAJ/CPT, not an NCO.

You're a figurehead for the Reg!!!

Yeah we agree on that matter - I'm just saying that this is a matter that should still be handled internally rather than on the forums s'all.

A bit of bias on this but sometimes when someone has dogshit rep it can be influenced by factors not tied to their server behaviour / actions.

 

["Comet"/Shoobinshurt]

+Support

 

[Charles "Ze" Whitmee]

+Support

I believe the respective heads of a department should be able to promote anyone they deem fit into a Junior CL4 position.

However, whoever issued the promotion is fully responsible for vetting and ensuring the person is actually fit for the role, as they would with an applicant. Should they promote too hastily and issues arise, this is when SA would step in and issue punishments.
The only loss here is lack of community feedback, however that should always be treated with a grain of salt.

I believe this would be step towards having positions and methods of obtaining positions be fully in-character.

 

[Aurelius 'Fusilli']

- Support

The application system works just fine for Jr. CL4, its a system that allows the Department leads to understand if that person has atleast some kind of writing skill (which is quite needed for any CL4 position) and also adds the requirement of a LORE.
Lore is an extremely important part of a CL4 character, one of the higher ranks of the Foundation and therefore they need to have some kind of background. Moving on, applications are an extra requirement after having shown good work on site as the CL3 role below. For instance, a GSD SGT leading well C2s and hosting patrols, a Sr. Researcher writing good documents and tests, a Sr. Doctor completing good evaluations etc... The application is just an extra step that also makes the leap to CL4 feel more significant, and it is also significantily easier for department leads to sort through the candidates for CL4.

Oh and by the way, I for one believe that becoming a CL4 in a regiment is way harder than becoming a CL4 in a department, with promotion cooldowns, the limited slots etc... Going to end this here so the yapping stops