Rule Suggestion Limit AO wars to 1 life.

[JasonTheCheesyGuy]

What does this suggestion change/add/remove:
What it says on the tin; Limit AO wars to 1 life for both A1 and O1, alongside their respective assistants/O5's.

Alternatively, make AO wars guaranteed PK's for any personnel that die. But that's an extreme option.


Has something similar been suggested before? If so, why is your suggestion different?:
Not to my knowledge.

Possible Positives of the suggestion (At least 2):
1. AO wars will last significantly shorter, thereby giving the rest of the site much less disruption.
2. AO wars will have more weight as swift, decisive actions, rather than drawn-out conflicts, which means that tactics have significantly more importance and that ones' survival matters a lot more.

Possible Negatives of the suggestion:
AO has less long-lasting conflicts.

Based on the Positives & Negatives, why should this suggestion be accepted:
Look, it's well known that AO wars tend to... drag on a bit. Not to mention, they are usually accompanied by OOC announcements by (S)SL that if you're not AO you're not allowed to get involved. Meanwhile, everything else does get shut down.

Greatly shortening how long these situations last, I believe, will be preferable for the majority of the playerbase.

 

[Advil Smith]

+Support Alternatively AO could aim better. My issue with it is they just crossfire everything

 

[itsnebs]

-support
sounds like no fun, and what would be the point, theyre already limited do prevent the site from being affected that much, and even beyond that half the site intentionally gets in the middle of them because theyre "entertaining to watch"

 

[Tiago]

Conflict Agreement isn't enforced by SSL anymore, on UK.

Only FCOM enforce it.

 

['Aqua']

+Support
AO Wars are already chaotic with it being used as an excuse to MRDM people, this would help limit that RDM

 

[John Inertia]

-Support
I dont know about UK, but any US AO knows this suggestion is ass, If you are getting RDMed just call a sit or get out of the way. No offense but this seems like you just got shot, got mad, and made a suggestion

 

[burgerly]

-support as a past O1 LT and current CPL, AO wars give A1 and O1 something to do rather then mindlessly escort ECMs and mass sample SCPs. Whilst this could be fine for UK AO as they are most roleplay sided US AO specialize in combat. the gameplay loop for AO isn't much on the US server as we heavily rely on site command for roleplay and making wars shorter will probably just reduce activity in AO. Another thing about this whole "MRDM" during wars isnt entirely AO's fault as I have encountered minges bodyblocking doorways or purposely stepping in an active firing zone just to bait sits and get people warned.

 

[BorisIsGood]

-Support
Anyone who's been in an AO war knows that often times the person who starts the AO war usually wins the first encounter due to the element of surprise so a one life system wouldn't even make sense. As well, oftentimes ISD and other members cutoff sections of the foundation when this happens to prevent crossfire. At least on the US this doesn't make any sense.

 

[Nickel]

-Support
no, the one on UK just now was already intentionally kept short for server health reasons.

 

[Yoyo]

-support
sounds like you are complaining about individual people. refer to the complaint section on the forums or make a player report. dont make cope suggestions. additionally if you believe AO is intentionally hurting server health go to AO CO'S/Regcom/FCOM.

 

[peep69]

mass sample SCPs.

Why is one of AO's duties... sampling SCPs?

 

[peep69]

No offense but this seems like you just got shot, got mad, and made a suggestion

sounds like you are complaining about individual people. refer to the complaint section on the forums or make a player report. dont make cope suggestions.

Try to refrain from saying a suggestion is "cope". You know, when someone suggests a change, it's usually because something happened / is a certain way, and they want it changed. By definition all suggestions are cope because something on the server isn't the way the suggestion author wants it to be.

It's a suggestion, not a personal attack. You're getting pissy for no reason

 

[burgerly]

Why is one of AO's duties... sampling SCPs?

There are sampling regiments in AO and they are sometimes given orders to sample for readiness (you can ask some O1 and A1 people how many times they've sampled SCPs

 

[Yoyo]

Try to refrain from saying a suggestion is "cope". You know, when someone suggests a change, it's usually because something happened / is a certain way, and they want it changed. By definition all suggestions are cope because something on the server isn't the way the suggestion author wants it to be.

It's a suggestion, not a personal attack. You're getting pissy for no reason

refer to my comment

 

["Aki"]

Personally don't think a rule needs to be added for this, it should be handled by AO Command and FCOM.

 

[John Inertia]

Try to refrain from saying a suggestion is "cope". You know, when someone suggests a change, it's usually because something happened / is a certain way, and they want it changed. By definition all suggestions are cope because something on the server isn't the way the suggestion author wants it to be.

It's a suggestion, not a personal attack. You're getting pissy for no reason

F6

 

['Clank']

+Support

Current leadership can't control wars effectively sadly.

 

[casseno1]

+Support

The one life rule sounds like a solid idea, the forced pk one not so much.

 

[Banjo]

- Support

Unsure how A/O on UK is but on US A/O have frequent wars due to the conflict and disagreement between Ethics & O5, having it set to where the War is 1 Life and results in a mass Pk makes 0 sense. As Boris said on the US server it's more then known to not get in the way while A/O are have their disagreements, We have ISD & OSA/ECAs constantly putting in Comms to stay out of the way and don't go to a certain area. We also have a A/O Conflict agreement which limits the area of where we can and cannot fight so the conflict does affect the whole site.

For being crossfired or shot at that's kinda you issue to put it in the politest way possible, You see 2 branches fighting you move out of the way and don't go back to that area until the issue is resolved, We have incidents on US of people purposely walking into between a gun fight to collect Guns/Keycards etc that's on them.

I also agree with Aki, this doesn't need to be a rule change this is something that needs to be enforced by the REGCOM of A/O & FCOM of the respected sides. Unsure how it is handled on the UK side but US handled it quite well when it comes to these issues and agreements have been made to solve these issues.

I don't believe due to 1 Issue on the UK server a ruling should be made and enforced for both of the Servers. Seems like an issue that needs to be brought up with the REGCOM of the respected sides or SL/SSL. (Normally don't get involved in RP Conflict)

 

[Caboose.]

-Support
I get the issue, but this is a terrible way of fixing it.